They haven’t. It’s the techbro ceo oligarchy.

and you owe that to big llm western models run on massive data centers, deepseek is here to disrupt that. once the imperial monoliths fall consumer grade products will become cheaper and you will hopefully be able to get a new machine. i say this from argentina my friend, my country besides being fucked has import restrictions on technology which make buying hardware even more expensive than for people in the anglosphere.

Cheers big ears.

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Mmhmm. Thanks for the ad.

My favorite part is Auth0 is the sponsor of Passport.js, you guessed it, an Open Source identity management library. And they play a big role at places like IETF where standards are actually written.

In all fairness, I haven’t investigated it thoroughly myself, and my skepticism mainly comes from the proposed timeframe. I’d be less skeptical if they said they were going to focus only on, say, Photoshop and spend a few months reproducing a small subset of its features without decompiling the code while creating a public audit trail of their clean room process that a lawyer helped them create.

Congratulations on whatever you're rambling about.

I hear you, and I agree with the sentiment.

Checkout their GitHub, they are completing pull requests from many people (no doubt using their own AI) that incrementally add features and fix bugs. They maintain architecture plan and docs so it's maintainable, with future phases planned out. It's not purely "make Photoshop" slop, there's a bit of planning.

I don't know if they're competent engineers who review the plans and docs for potential issues or hallucinations, I haven't investigated it deeply, but it's not lowest hanging fruit slop.

I mean I love that they are sticking it to Adobe but they are slop by nature. If it's at least useful slop or if you should just use the actual open-source alternatives is debatable, I don't have any talent with these programs anyway. I'd say learn the open-source alternatives but maybe try the artcraft stuff if you truly can't do something in the open-source program, but that's just my uneducated opinion.

My local machine is dead and I can't afford new ram.

I use LLMs for coding every day at work and also use local LLMs at home. From my experience, LLMs can be used to create a better end product than humans alone if the proper discipline is followed.

However, my impression is that ArtCraft is a bunch of vibe coded slop where the goal is to reproduce several apps as quickly as possible by letting the LLM go wild. In that case, you usually end up with something that seems to work in many respects, but eventually collapses under its own weight.

We will see whether ArtCraft ever gets out of alpha and shapes up to be solid, but as someone who has been a software engineer over 20 years, hastily creating a mountain of code and then expecting to come back and fix all the problems later never works. It’s always better to work incrementally and add one feature at a time while building in quality every step of the way.

What I expect is that they will continue adding features and trying to fix the problems, play an extended game of whack-a-mole, then eventually get frustrated and abandon the project.

I detest companies like Adobe and I’d be delighted to have my skepticism be proven wrong and see them end up with replacements for the whole suite that work well and are on solid ground legally. I’d also feel better about this if they were using local models, since spending a fortune in tokens to support a company like Anthropic is certainly not on higher moral ground than supporting Adobe with subscription fees.

No Wayland support yet, though it's being worked on.

At least there are no obvious signs of slopware.

Yep, and it makes it harder to be motivated to actually work on OSS when your work can just be copied and sloppified into 10 other clones the next day

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Tilted? Hell no, I'm having a blast :)

But serious discussion about AI - on Lemmy? The famously fair and even-handed Lemmy? Where a single thread had people calling others morons, bots and accusing them of being anally puppeteered by Claude Code for having the temerity to disagree?

Nah.

We tried the substantive debate downstream.

I once considered it a privilege to be able to program in rust. Even before, rust code can be quite terse

With LLMs now, I see code that gives my brain an anneurism and programming anti patterns that I didn't know existed

Although I understand why LLMs prefer rust safety guarantees that make it difficult to shoot itself on the foot

If the copyright holders bring action and win it would completely undermine LLMs use in any industry. 🥲

So what do people that -actually- did it themselves say?

From my quick reading on it, it's logins that allow passwords -- the bug is basically that hackers can send a specially crafted message, and be treated as though they are legitimate 'passwordless' accounts to login, essentially bypassing the password req.

Funny, I feel like it's the opposite. I appreciate the use of a local LLM over renting GPU time, but unless you trained the model yourself I'm still not in love with the source.

Also it's just made my entire field unstable and less fun.

if you look at benchmarks the difference is almost negligible, and there is nothing tying your development practice to claude or whatever. i constantly switch between agents and nothing stops me or changes my workflow when i do this. a new model can pick up instantly where another left, and once the western model is doomed deepseek will still be there running on your local machine.

Friend, you're clearly getting tilted. Every single reply has a highschool tier dig tagged on for no reason.

You know you can have actual discussions with people in these threads, right?

Lol. "Look at it go on my personal project, wow I could never! I am a title worm! Go Sam Altman!" It really does work. What a great term haha

I wouldn't

Yes sure, local models exist. But somehow the big flashy projects use the big flashy models. Local models are usable, but not as capable as the big cloud models, to which they have tied their development practice.