No, see the reason why y'all are chronic losers is you guys don't go far enough and honestly just cowards. Hope you guys have a burn out of your pathetic political career.

We voted for change and change will come.

My first thought when I saw a Republican brought up the vote was similar. I am wondering if they are bringing up the vote now before the blue-nami comes in because it probably will fail now. If it fails now, can it be brought up again after January, or would that be prevented due to double jeopardy?

Even if you're running the party like it's a cynical numbers game there are two possible scenarios. A. You could try to win more votes by moving to the right and peeling off center-right Republicans. Mostly old people who were proud of being asociated with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher but ashamed of being associated with Donald Trump and Tommy Robinson. You do this at the expense of losing however many people on the left wing who are barely willing to vote for you now, who if they see your new platform is sucking up to Israel harder, backing the blue, and throwing trans people under the bus, will just stay home.

B. You could try to win more votes by moving to the left and motivating the mostly young people who currently aren't voting at all because both parties just answer to lobbyists and let billionaires get away with everything and nothing ever happens so what's the point. They will vote for meaningful, structural change. They will vote for whoever comes out as standing for the polar opposite of every single thing conservatives stand for, and promising to fight for it hard.

You can bet on either path working out- again, even being completely mercenary and strategic and not taking a principled stand on anything. One or the other group of potential voters has to be larger.

Here's the thing, in my whole life I have only ever seen Democrats- as a party- try doing A. Again and again and again. We have seen 3 decades of results demonstrating how effective a strategy it isn't.

Might B work better? I don't know, no one does, because they've never once just fucking tried it.

So I don't believe it is even a strategy at all, not a serious and good-faith one. It's a ruse; an op.

But the Democrats aren't the only ones doing it. Look around the world, right now everywhere's got some gutless, triangulating, unilaterally-compromising centrist party that's good for business and good for business as usual and polls well with the low-information normies but when it comes down to it they will side with the far-right against the far-left 10 times out of 10.

People need to see us fighting.”

fighting against the fascists or fighting each other

yes

In reality, there are various definitions of "progressive". Yours is yours, agreed on by millions, but millions of other people use different definitions.

Fuck the centrists. They gave us Hillary, and she lost, and then they gave us Harris, and she lost. They're chronic losers, they love it, and they'll never change. CNN reports on them like their opinion matters, because CNN is centrist, too. Meh.

I disagree. I've always thought they fumble the balls well.

"Tweets as thought-stopping cliches" is my favorite refuge of the white liberal coward

You absolute coward.

Its not relevant to the investigation of his crimes so it doesn’t belong

Grow a pair of balls for fucks sake

It’s not about blame. it’s about utilizing the system most effectively.

I think it’s fair to point out when they’re not listening, but we can’t be complacent. We need to guide them. They’re not our leaders, they’re our representation.

What we’ve got now is because people thought we were done building society, and the system would just work for us. So it was exploited.

The election was the beginning, not the end.

They really are quaking in their boots. Guess their owners are really pissed.

i thought you were just being facetious... but they were literally attending an aipac front group meeting https://newrepublic.com/post/217861/full-list-11-democrats-missed-hegseth-impeachment-vote-where-they-were-instead

Piss christ, heated in a walmart microwave oven would be a pretty poignant piece tbh

Being progressive in the U.S. largely means moving towards what is centrist by European standards anyhow.

If they were hanging Trump's Cabinet in the street, slitting their bellies open and strangling them with their own intestines, I might agree that's far enough. And that is no exaggeration.

After 01/06, I want literal blood, not figurative.

Do they not have phones?

The framing of this article's headline is stupidly misleading. The vote was closed PRECISELY because they were still in traffic. If they showed up on time, they would have simply waited for the other Republicans to show up to. It's almost like the Republican who called for this vote tried to pull a staunt BEFORE THE BLUE WAVE IS IN OFFICE IN JANUARY to divide us with this vote. And since people only read headlines or listen to political pundits these days, it unfortunately worked.

You’re ignoring all of my comment to focus on one single specific detail, that’s not even important to the overall point.

Because none of what you've said so far is relevant to the overall point. All you've offered are false equivalencies, which is why nobody's taking your argument seriously and why I'm comparing it to cartoonish scenarios, because you've chosen a very comical stance to take on the subject.

A horse stands at 6+ feet tall. Your batteries and luggage are not hoisted 6 feet off the ground when you get on a bus. Also, wheelchairs and mobility scooters literally get tied down and locked in place before the driver can shift back into drive. Y'know, because of the wheels.

I don't know what sort of Final Destination scenario you're imagining that makes it more likely for a 12-inch (generously estimated), 15lb cube on the floor to be jettisoned at the precise angle to be more dangerous than 1000lb of unsecured horse meat that occupies 2/3 of the breadth of the bus and is already standing at the optimal human-crushing height. One of those requires many stars to align in order to happen, and the other just requires that a horse is on the bus at the time of the incident.

Besides, it still doesn't matter because the horse, itself, is the threat. It doesn't require an outside force to act upon it for it to be dangerous. It just has to get spooked by a falling leaf for it to kick somebody's head clean off, or get sleepy and decide Grandma's now-ragdolled body is a great napping spot. The vehicle never even has to be in motion for the horses' presence to be a hazard.

Jesus, this is stupid.

It’s like bosses tell you to ‘look’ like your doing something. WTF I do actually do something, I like doing, I’m not just here to milk money.

They are telling progressives ‘look’ like we are taking action but don’t change anything. It’s a tactic to keep the grift going.

Uhh.... stfu or you're fired, too!

It confuses confusingly

Not even the first time they've used this excuse