You sound like you're fun at parties.

Not a single mention of Edid emulation means they don't understand why most KVMs are useless. So I expect this one to be useless too.

Framework is updating the laptop with Ryzen AI processors and new integrated Radeon GPUs and is introducing a new graphics module with the mobile version of Nvidia's GeForce RTX 5070—one that's also fully compatible with the original Laptop 16, for upgraders.

It wasn't entirely clear to me from the video, if the new GPU module is compatible only to the Gen.2 motherboard or also the Gen.1.

And AMD and ARM supply Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

Intel has ties with a fascist regime.

Don't support fascism. Don't buy Intel.

^ my instant presumption. Also at this point if you don't have a tinfoil hat bolted onto your cranium, you haven't been following the news for the past two decades.

Flagship server CPUs from AMD and Intel are quite expensive: the 192-core EPYC 9965 costs $14,813, and the 128-core Xeon 6980P is priced at $12,460 (after Intel had already slashed its price from $17,800 in early January) when purchased in 1000-unit quantities by its direct customers.

However, ShopBLT is selling both processors with 35% and 53% discounts for $9,713 and $5,836, respectively.

ShopBLT is not alone, as Newegg offers Intel's Xeon 6980P for $6,190, a 50% reduction from Intel's recommended customer pricing (RCP).

Intel's Xeon 6 6900P-series CPUs are sold at even steeper discounts from their RCPs. The flagship 128-core Xeon 6980P is available for $5,166 (53% lower than RCP), the 96-core Xeon 6972P is priced at $4,789 (53% lower than RCP), whereas the Xeon 6960P can be purchased for $4,511 (53% off from the RCP). The previous-generation flagship — the 64-core Xeon 8592+ — is priced at 'affordable' $2,280, which is five times less than its list price.

Well, I only looked into the article to check out the prices, and I am stunned to find out that we're talking five-figure recommended CPU prices

Hey at least you're keeping your neuralink skull implant safe from errant bluetooth connection attempts

That or they are backdoored and someone found out.

Could be unlikely, maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but who knows.

I have a potential explanation:

Ooops, the 'AI' bubble just popped.

Time to firesell all this shit!

https://www.zimaspace.com/ - Low end Zimaboard is $90.

https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h4/ - Cheapest seems to be H4 at $99.

These are from the last time I researched as I was in the same boat.

I had specific PCI requirements, so there may be cheaper.

<60 range:

• https://hackerboards.com/board/digital-loggers-atomic-pi
• https://hackerboards.com/board/radxa-rock-pi-x

There are some other options in >=100 range. See https://hackerboards.com/?cpu_architecture=x86_64

https://www.dofbot.com/post/esp32-interface-simcom-a7670c-4g-lte-at-command-call-read-sms-and-send-sms

Roll your own for half the price.

Waltuh. Put your tiny cellular modem away Waltuh.

The SoC is extremely powerful compared to a Framework 16. It's 256-bit LPDDR5X-8000 instead of 128 bit DDR5 5600. 40 graphics CUs instead of 12. It uses full Zen CCDs with 16 cores, tons of L3, and extra cache on the IO die, instead of the reduced-cache laptop parts. Look up Phoronix benchmarks: it's more than double the performance in many workloads.

I'd kill for this thing on an ITX motherboard, in my tower desktop. There is just nothing comparible with so much graphics power with like 96GB of addressible VRAM, or so much CPU bandwidth unless you splurge on Threadripper or EPYC (and sacrifice power efficiency and ST performance). There is nothing I can buy under $5K that's even close.

Hence it's backordered like crazy.

If you don't need the performance or just want to game on a tower, it doesn't make sense, no.

I feel like the bottleneck is memory coherency and latency now, not bandwidth so much.

EG it would be awesome to have something like CXL standardized everywhere, instead of doubling bandwidth for the same extra cost.

Interesting, learned something new.

but this is after 8 months of nothing.

Yeah that's definitely a problem :/

I have to wonder if they're stretching themselves thin because of all the new projects they're creating and then consequently having to continue supporting?

I don't regret my FW16 purchase at all. I just think it needs a bit more polish and a new GPU.

Totally fair and a reasonable request as most people rooting for Framework that I've heard also wants a new gpu and hardware refresh for their existing laptops.

But yeah maybe Framework should hire a dedicated person for community communications to relay between existing customers and the devops team🤔

There has been firmware issues involving battery life, performance, and charger compatibility. A new beta update was released a couple days ago that seems to rectify a lot issues but this is after 8 months of nothing.

There have been multiple devs working on an oculink port for the expansion bay but FW seems to be one of the roadblocks. Not sure if it's just communication issues or what.

There is an issue with the liquid metal not covering the die and leading to overheating. This has been fixed in newer models or kits to existing customers.

I don't regret my FW16 purchase at all. I just think it needs a bit more polish and a new GPU.

Every single right wing policy has one goal. Help the wealthy, hurt the poor.

Well that's unfortunate to hear especially since I wanted to get one myself.

How has the support been lacking?

As a FW16 owner, I wish it were a gem. It has potential but the support has been lacking.

For hardcore gaming, absolutely IMO. If you want to approach CRT-level motion clarity you need to get closer to 1000hz.

motion clarity at 60hz: https://0x0.st/8FXl.png

comparison of higher framerates up to 540hz: https://0x0.st/8FXU.png

The beam simulation shader recommends at least 240hz but the preferred speed is 480 or as high as possible.

To me Framework's desktop makes no sense in this market.

They already have a gem of a laptop that is the Framework 16. So portability makes no sense.

And the fact that it's barely upgradable in comparison to a DIY/custom Mini-PC build with standard parts that anyone could select and buy using pcpartpicker.com. You'd have to pay me to want a Framework desktop.

No shame on them for trying. I just feel like this idea needed to cook in their oven for a bit longer before they decided to ship it. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for gamers, prosumers, or the enterprise market.

I'm still not sure who this is really for as the upgradability angle is out, portability is also out due to their own laptops, and performance is also out as you're better off with regular desktops as they have that upgradability option by default with the best possible performance.

I'd be interested in hearing what people think about this though cause maybe there's something here I've missed.

It’s all a grift