[–] 72 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Hello. Please be introduced to the concept of poop tomatoes, something that pops up in wastewater plants. In warmer climates we see more poop watermelons.

It's not just tomatoes or watermelons but those are the ones that seem to "make it" to being full plants so that's what people remember. I'd bet on chia for this bad boy.

Putting some photos behind a spoiler tag because I have no idea what is considered decent vs gross anymore

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Lots of seeds end up in the "grit". Here is some grit that spilled out of a conveyor.

Seeds in sludge on a gate in a tank

Whole ass tomato plants on a gate in an aeration basin. Lots of nutrients and water!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I'm not saying this happening is okay, but the lack of context about the volume can be misleading. Rules are different in Manitoba but in Ontario plants need to notify the public when there is a spill, which is why I imagine it's made the news before any details are available. The idea is to inform downstream water users as soon as possible.

    10 millions litres is 5% of average daily flow. It's a very small amount, and the pollition load would be similar to a few days of totally treated sewage.

    This article has a bit more info on what happened: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-sewage-spill-treatment-plant-9.7407843

    Two automated bypass gates at the North End sewage treatment plant opened unexpectedly at about 1:10 a.m., ... "We are still investigating why the gates opened and why the first alarm did not go off."

    I want to be clear I'm not criticising anyone. The fact that they caught it so quickly is honestly amazing. I've seen similar issues (that didn't involve a spill to the environment) go undetected for like, months, because someone assumed the instrument was faulty and didn't bother to verify.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago

    So we don't yet know the details of the attacks but it is certainly possible that the systems that were attacked didn't patch a vulnerability identified earlier in the year.

    I shared an analysis I found in another post.

    In the past decade I moved from a place that took security very seriously to a place that I'm not sure even has a complete network diagram, so my expectations of competence in control system security in private companies is basically nil. It's slightly higher in some government systems only because it's a lot easier to be a tyrannical admin if people aren't really paying attention to you. But you gotta luck out and have the right person in the role.

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    I'm not sure what I expected, but this article is quite depressing.

    Many industrial devices include a service access so the vendor’s technician can get in without the customer’s password. A classic —and dangerous— way to implement it is the code of the day: a code that changes every day according to a formula that, in theory, only the vendor knows.

    The problem shows up when that “secret formula” is the only thing protecting access (security by obscurity) and it can also be recovered from the firmware itself. That is exactly what happens here: sm_app ships unobfuscated, with function and variable names in plain sight. The one that validates the code is called, literally, check_code_of_day.

    The article is from October 14th and notes:

    Whether the attack went through CVE-2025-41450 is, for now, just a hypothesis: the vector has not been officially established and the investigation is still open. Several reports throughout this year had already warned that something like this could happen, and during 2025 several vulnerabilities were disclosed in Danfoss equipment that ended in a vendor fix. The flaw we look at here is public and patched (at least since R4.3.1).

    That makes the most recent attacks all the more alarming, should they have been achieved via the same method.

     

    A hacking attack on European supermarkets spread across the continent on Monday, hitting fridges and freezers from Sweden to Belgium and forcing stores to throw away food in an incident that echoed a similar attack in France last month.

    ...

    Everything is destroyed," Engla Ingwall, sales manager at an ICA franchise store in Stockholm, told Reuters during a visit to the store on Monday, adding the attack occurred at 2 a.m. (0100 GMT) but was only noticed hours later.

    "There has been a cyberattack and all our freezers reached 50 degrees (Celsius)."

    A spokesperson for privately held ICA said the company was aware that a "limited number of stores were affected by an incident overnight, which impacted their refrigeration and freezer systems".

    I'm having trouble finding the one I'm thinking about (it was written for some industry org, maybe OWWA or OPWA?

    Anyways, here is a comprehensive history, but it's 181 pages: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2273818

    I'll comment again if I find the other one. I'm sure I have it saved somewhere 😅

    TL;DR: Ottawa would have sooner built an aqueduct from 31-Mile Lake than build a sewage plant. They didn't get one until the 1960s. Toronto built it's first (and poorly working) municipal plant in 1912 (I think?). The chief bacteriologist in Ottawa was just like, throw some chlorine at the water, you will be fine. 😬

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  • [–] 23 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Yeah so that exists and it's not going so well for the UK. I will edit with some links.

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    Very broadly water utilities in the UK and north America largely started off private but public ownership is still the norm for centralized system of idk > 100 people?

    Tbh I'm high and not bothering to look stuff but but I'm guessing that it was sewage treatment which lead water utilities (handling both potable and sewage) being public. You can charge people for water, but unless the government is forcing people to connect to a sewer and get rid of pit latrines etc there is no market for it. (Fun fact domestic connections to sewers predate the widespread use of septic tanks)

    Migration to urban centres due to industrialization and the industrial processes themselves were the main loading of sewage, which overwhelmed natural systems that had previously been able to support the community.

    Someone had to treat the sewage because it was fucking up the drinking water. Who has to deal with stuff like that? The government! So they run the sewage plants. And because the private drinking water plants were run for profit and not for health, a lot of them were extremely bad they got shut down. Once again, the government had to step in because they needed to enforce standards.

    Toronto and Ottawa have very interesting and very divergent experiences with that relationship. If someone is interested I can see if I can dig up an article someone wrote about it.

    Anyways, sometimes the government made developers pay directly for the construction, operations and maintenance of a plant, but now in Ontario for the most part they just charge development fees. Small communities like trailer parks or ski villages typically have their own little plant or over glorified septic tank.

    I came here to argue that there are in fact private sewage companies and they are often disasters, but I think the above kind of proved that the origin of public water utilities was the failure of the private sector to get their shit together.

    Well that's awkward.

    Anyways, fuck Thames Water : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Water

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    Some other articles, including ones from earlier articles with the sink hole:

    It's a pretty big main (36") and was installed in 1916. I don't think I saw it referred to as a transmission main but at that size I would be surprised if it wasn't!

     

    “We’ve gone through, we’ve cut as thin as we possibly could cut in this 10-year program but I’ll expand on that a little bit more,” Lewis told council. “If we cut capital program, we reduce our level of service. There’s no two ways about it, that is the effect. We will reduce our level of service; we’ll risk additional water main breaks; we’ll risk additional water loss. We don’t want another water main break like we had at Riverside Park. That’s a significant risk. We would increase the risk of boil water advisories.”

    In a survey of water and wastewater bills, based on annual volumes of 220 cubic metres, Pembroke’s 2026 rates sees the city remain in the same ballpark as other local municipalities although it does vault ahead of Casselman and Deep River to land just behind Killaloe, Hagarty and Richards (KHR). Petawawa, Arnprior and Ottawa are already slightly lower than Pembroke. Pembroke’s 2027 rates see it jump over KHR and Renfrew landing just behind Mississippi Mills. More expensive municipalities than Pembroke include Laurentian Valley, and Kingston, and especially Whitewater Region and Clarence Rockland.

     

    Russian cybercriminals managed to hack into a Quebec municipality's water treatment plant systems and had the ability to wreak havoc on the crucial infrastructure before getting caught, according to Canada's cyber spy agency.

    In one particular case discussed in the report, the signals intelligence agency said it was advised last October that Russian hacktivist group NoName had broken into the Quebec water plant's network and gained access to many crucial systems.

    According to CSE, NoName claimed it had gained the "ability to covertly control pumps, chlorine dosing, pressure settings and monitoring/alerts systems." The report does not identify the impacted Quebec municipality.

     

    Selection of quotes:

    But in interviews with The Citizen, Fayette County Administrator Steve Rapson and Assistant County Administrator Jason Tinsley said the issue stemmed from a missed meter reading during Fayette County Water System’s transition to a new countywide smart-meter system — not unauthorized water usage

    Rapson said the widely circulated figure of roughly 15 million gallons reflected about six months of combined usage billed at one time — not a single month of consumption.

    The original county letter also referenced complaints from residents near the Annelise Park subdivision about low water pressure.

    Rapson said Fayette County Water System later installed monitoring equipment in the area to track pressure levels following the complaints.

    “Since we’ve been reading it, there’s been no issue,” Tinsley said.

    “But keep in mind, the individual that made that complaint made the complaint because they had issues with their well,” Rapson said. “We don’t pull anything out of the ground. We don’t have any wells in our system.”

    I just wrote a novel of a reply to someone saying something didn't look quite right about the numbers and guessing the issue was discrepancy between water billing and production . I should have looked for the letter first, and I would have found this article 😭

    ETA: why is this dystopian? Maybe something about how a single water meter malfunctioning results in a water utility getting overwhelmed and maybe not investigating as completely as they could before sending letters. Fund your local utilities! 💕

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