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The secret to how Liberals con progressive voters [Video, 5:14] (www.youtube.com)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/ndp@lemmy.ca
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[–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

This exactly describes the UK, run as left and ends up being the most centre right POS. Suddenly no one likes him and majority of the country is now primed for a far right take over because "Look how bad the left man did, he wasnt the right that the right wanted in, he campaigned left! Right must be the answer!"

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    This kind of bait and switch is really effective on reactionary people with short memories which is apparently the majority of people, at least with the world in the state it's currently in, because a lot of people are frankly just overwhelmed. Democracy is failing because the bad guys are using hacks like this to manipulate and control how the majority of people vote. That's all they need to do, because the majority is exactly what democracy is about. They've metagamed democracy into a contest where they never lose. The only solution is to actually talk to other people and try to break them out of the cycle. I think society is actually really primed for it right now, but it's going to require grassroots work and boots on the ground. They control almost all other forms of media, and attempts to do it online will be poisoned or buried before they can become popular, or they will turn into a liability if they do become popular. The bots are real, the megaphone is real, and they will use it to drown out civilized discourse.

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    • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    This is FPTP in action. The only solution is to vote NDP because Avi promised electoral reform and I think he knows what will happen if the pulls a Justy poo.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    It’s a strategy designed and paid for by the wealthy.

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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    First and last time I vote Liberal.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    LOL! This is no different than anyone who always votes the same way because that's how their parents always voted. Under FPTP, it's critical to always vote for the lesser of the evils. If the Liberals are the lesser of the evils in the future, I will be voting for them. If it's the CPC or some other party, then I'll vote for that party. While many Canadians aren't 100% happy with Carney right now, polls show the majority are still very glad they didn't vote for Poilievre (or the NDP).

    One thing that would help is PR voting. This would greatly reduce the number of majority governments we get, because voting for a small party wouldn't feel like a wasted vote. Minority governments force the various parties to work together and have some power to keep each other in check. Majority governments result in one party having dictatorial power.

    Another help is to have the ability to recall politicians if some percentage (perhaps around 66% to 70%) of Canadians want to remove them. That way, if they don't govern the way they campaigned, they could be removed without having to wait the entire four years.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I've seen a lot of comments like this on here that typically parrot strategic voting talking points with little evidence. This is understandable, since most people only learn about FPTP because they are rightfully dissatisfied with it, but frustrating since this seems to always be conflated with "vote out of fear."

    There were many secure NDP ridings that had about a zero percent risk of being flipped Con that were flipped Liberal because of this mentality, and many that were flipped Con because Liberal voters split that vote. As we've seen, a majority Liberal government is hardly a lesser of two evils as it is portrayed here since they have implemented pretty much everything Cons wanted, with the only benefit really being their continued appropriation of social justice talking points to present some sort of moral superiority. They're passing internet surveillance and censorship legislation, they've cut environmental protections and are eroding First Nations and indigenous sovereignty in service of fossil fuels and other extractive, destructive industries, they're funneling public wealth into private capital without addressing the inadequacies of any of our social welfare systems or the cost of living. What exactly is lesser? It's not like they're doing anything for trans people besides ignoring that they're still being targeted for genocide (or that Canadians were about to elect an openly genocidal candidate just before Trump won Libs the election).

    Could you actually produce evidence that demonstrates that the outcome of this election proves that maintaining strong NDP ridings would have won Cons the election or that a minority Con (or Liberal) parliament would have been in any substantial way worse than a majority Liberal one?

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    • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I wouldn’t call it a con. NDP just hasn’t offered a good enough federal leadership since Jack Layton. And I wouldn’t say the liberals rule entirely on the right, they have made plenty of good progressive strides. I think this type of rhetoric is conservatives trying to weasel their way into an “I told you our ideas were good” territory. The real issue is that corporatism is very embedded in politics and the economy is highly dependent on their success.

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