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[–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Cause it doesn't help their case of lying about voter fraud?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    They're no longer even sure which lies they want to tell

    Some White House officials have argued the report could undermine voter confidence, particularly among Republicans. Others have said they do not believe the report goes far enough in supporting President Donald Trump’s false claims that the 2020 presidential election was rigged, the three sources said.

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    [–] 30 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The report, produced by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, concludes that voting ‌machines could be further safeguarded by, for example, updating their software, the sources said.

    Are voting machines connected to the internet???

    I mean, yeah, updating software is nearly always better for security, but why wouldn't you just run the machines disconnected for max security?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Someone could still get isolated access to one, and it's not a bad idea to ensure that the firmware is as robustly secure as possible.

    The last voting machines I worked on didn't have Internet connectivity, but they did have a freely accessible PCMCIA card slot for firmware updates.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Voting machines are airgapped in polling places. Patches are most likely deployed from a centralized patch management server wherever they're stored in the off-season, likely also on an airgapped network.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Likely. Maybe. Should be. Best practice. Most likely.

    So the vote goes into a black box, which few understand and which no one can observe, and we are to believe that no one was able to find a way around whatever good actors, policies, and procedures are in place to protect them from tampering?

    Right, and they’re NOT building datacenters in order to make computer components so expensive that it prices the average joe out of personal computing and forces cloud serfdom.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I think with an admin that could be vindicated with a release of this study NOT releasing it tells you all you need to know.

    The study likely doesn't conclude what they've been harping for years.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Or it did find evidence of vote manipulation, but not in the direction they have been screeching about. Every accusation is a confession, after all.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    I mean yeah, screw it. I wanna believe in the voting system but the guy's been on calls with state representatives being like "Gimme sum voots."

    Conveniently the whole narrative is about their opponents conveniently cheating? Psh.

    Yeah his type only win when they cheat, and you're right, they're almost always incompetently, red-handedly, stupidly guilty of whatever they were blowhard accusing the other side of.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Or they found evidence of manipulation, at such a minuscule level that it doesn't affect election results, but they want to hype it like it's something that matters, and don't want to give anyone time to refute their bullshit.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    waiting for the results to see if they want to say they have issues or not.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Why, are we working on the final touches as to how it can be rigged?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    “Can be rigged” lol

    -Elon

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Their likely endgame is to ban all the machines that are harder to rig, and mandate the use of the ones that they have already rigged.

    They'll also try to ban more transparent processes such as hand-counting of physical ballots.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    They want to release it a week or so before the election, then use that as an excuse for draconian voter suppression measures, leaving no time to appeal.

    Someone needs to FOIA that stuff ASAP.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Funfact: Republicans bought Dominion Voting and renamed it to Liberty Votes. Dominion Voting was previously the voting machine provider for U.S. voting - even as States have their own maintenance team (as is my understanding).

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    of course.

    It says nothing was wrong, the overwhelming majority of attempts to cheat the system have been caught, and are from republicans.

    So they're gonna suppress it until just before the election, where they'll release some bullshit blaming liberals and illegals, so theres just enough time to enflame the idiots without having the time think about how stupid it is and listen to the debunking

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Because he’s gonna call on his old pal Elon to help out again.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Paper ballots are good you dumb motherfuckers. Fully electronic voting can be rigged with 0 evidence. Fucking one firmware patch that self deletes after polls close is literally all it takes on multiple models from multiple manufacturers who are mostly owned by billionaires now.

    FUCK! 🤬 democrats can't even be pissed off at the right part of this.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Exactly this. You are just telling your vote to someone (some machine) that pinkie promises to count it correctly with no asurance whatsoever.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And to be clear they do make electronic machines with auditable paper. Those are cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    paywall bullshit

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    My state uses paper scantron ballets. Easy for machines to count and easy paper trail if needed to count by hand. Why is this not the way.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The only way to prevent all those issues with voting machines is to get rid of them.

    There is no way that a voting machine fulfills the demands for a fair, secret, democratic, tamper-resistant vote. It is basically mathematically impossible to perform a proper democratic vote on a machine.

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    [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why don't they just release it and call it wrong or gay or woke whatever. It's worked for everything else, why bother trying to hide facts now when they can just tell their base to ignore it?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Because if they actually release it they can't either...

    (a) fearmonger about a nothingburger in order to undermine confidence in the election, or

    (b) wait to spring an actual vulnerability on the public until it's too late to do anything about it in order to undermine confidence in the election (or indeed, to exploit it to undermine the election itself),

    ...depending on what the contents of the report actually are.

    In every case, spreading FUD about a mysterious secret problem serves the ratfuckers' interests more than being forthright does.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Oh, a White House "study"? I'm sure that will be well sourced and follow a strict scientific approach. 🙄

    I can't imagine why they wouldn't release it though. Clearly not because they're concerned about voter confidence since it's practically Trump's platform that our elections are rigged. These assholes parrot 2,000 mules bs still.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Hmm, somebody could leak that report. Calling somebody, it's time.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The Netherlands has a population of about 18m, which is more than any but the four most populous States in America.

    Every election here in NL, federal to local, is pure paper ballots and managed by volunteers. And our voter turnout is nearly 20% more than that in America.

    I don't see a problem with paper (unless you are FL then whatever.)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    And that's why electronic voting will never work.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Most “electronic” voting these days prints a duplicate paper ballot that’s used to audit the vote for accuracy.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Nope. The intent of electronic voting is to make tabulation faster and more accurate, and to make it easier for people to vote the way they intend without marking errors causing problems. A machine can much more easily increase font size, for example, or increase contrast. It can support a different way of marking for people who have difficulty with the standard.

    None of that is incompatible with a physical artifact being produced like a paper ballot does.

    That's how my area does it. The electronic machine actually fills out the same paper ballot that you would fill out by hand, but it can mark perfectly and make it easier to read and operate. The machine has no way of knowing who's voting, or making a change that isn't immediately evident. I think the biggest scandal they've had is once, during calibration, one of the machines indicated that the vote for township board of supervisors was to be cast for "the empty space between the list of candidates and the description of the item being voted on".

    There are other proposals that would allow people to vote by phone which is solving a problem no one really has, and there are yet others that provides a digital code that allows the voter to verify that their vote was counted and factored into the final tally as they cast it. That one is interesting, but also not in conflict with a paper trail.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    As if I have any confidence left in the voters

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    [–] [S] 46 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    ODNI briefed the White House for six months without authorization to publish the report, two sources said

    The report says many states use outdated systems, three sources said

    All sources said they knew of no evidence of vote manipulation in US elections

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    They have had weak security for decades. I remember R's in congress blocking bills to address election security issues 15-20 years ago.

    At the time I assumed they had already planned, or wanted the option, to steal elections. The weaknesses are a feature; not a bug.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. Diebold can build ATM machines that work flawlessly, but somehow their voting machines have “glitches” during elections? Bullshit.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago

    Nawww, did the results not go your way?

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