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[–] 164 points 5 months ago (23 children)

To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war, complete with reparations from the US.

I’m sure Israel will blow this deal up though.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They already bombed Lebanon today, likely to try and derail it again.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    Yup, was just going to comment this. Bombs right on time to try and kill any ongoing negotiations. Israel is not a friend to the US, and trump clearly has no control over the situation. Shit, trump going into this nightmare at netanyahoo's request is so on brand for the moron magats and trump.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Iran won the war when they dint bend like venezuela did in the first hours of this nonsensical operation. There is nothing the USA can win out of this confict, they are just losing power everywhere..

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, does anyone think Iran will stop suffering?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sadly no. But having just their government to deal with, instead of being squashed starved and slaughtered between the two is a minor improvement.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I’m not even convinced USA and Israel won’t find a way to make them suffer. Both seem to love genocide.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    No, the people of Iran are between a rock and a hard place.

    But I think people can maintain a cause in defence of themselves longer than the US can maintain their offensive.

    The US just hit critically low oil levels where it’s impossible to continue depleting them. They’ve reached low enough levels using pipelines are threatened by being able to maintain pressure.

    The US now has to decide if they want to lose internal oil transport and shut down infrastructure. All right before midterms.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    To any outside observer it looks like Iran has won this war

    The war is won by either side only when Iran inflicts a permanent defeat on its enemies, or it ceases to be a functional state. Any deal in between, if it even goes through, will only postpone the resumption of the war, as it has been for what, about the last 45 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I would guess Iran is holding out to cripple the Israelis. The fact the Zios aren't just taking what they've won and going home until next time is evidence they're jot just evil, they're all fucking insane. Letting this go on once the conquest of Lebanon slows down is so fucking stupid.

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  • [+] -31 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I think you can make a lot of legitimate critiques of the Israeli state, but suggesting g they can't be trusted to hold to a treaty? No. That's just totally baseless antisemitism.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Baseless, really? Israel have shown themselves to be a bunch of perfidious schmucks since the inception of their state 70 years ago. They can't be trusted to hold even a ceasefire with Palestine/Lebanon/Iran and have repeatedly attacked during negotiations.

    Your cry of antisemitism has worn out at this stage through ridiculous overuse and hyperbole. The only thing Israel has shown lately is that they have no honour or morality.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Tanking any ceasefire is literally in Israel's best interest. Their goal is the elimination of Iran as a regional power. They don't want to help Trump get out of this war, they want him to fully commit to it. American boots on the ground is the best possible outcome for them.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Oh so we should just base our judgement of Israel on the thing they have done literally every single time for their entire existence and 'the protocols of the elders of zion'? But you're not an antisemite? Fucking troll.

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  • [–] 78 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    According to leaks to Iranian media the draft includes a reconstruction which will result in Tehran receiving $300 billion to rebuild its cities. Also included will be the release of $24 billion in blocked Iranian funds, half of which must be paid to Iran before fresh talks start.

    Damn, that's an Israeli level supply of foreign aid.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    is benny boy happy hes not getting that aid.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Are Americans happy they've been put in a position their leadership has to pay either instead of your hospitals? or school funding? or, god forbid, housing and food security for your multitudes of poor?

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Very dishonorable people to deal with.

    Pot, meet kettle.

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  • [–] 88 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    American here. I haven't heard the claims, but they're likely true if Trump is upset.

    Did you guys know he raped kids?

    Yeah, there's these things called the Epstein files. They're pretty shocking, but his followers care more about what's in all our fucking pants. Just like him, they're also perverts. They want to see our genetalia before we enter bathrooms. Sick fucks.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Did you guys know he raped kids?

    I heard some of those raped kids ended up dead. Some beaten. All raped. https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qtyb43/epstein_and_maxwell_buried_2_girls_strangled_to/

    Court testimony was that some of them ended up beaten due to trump not liking them during sex. One bit him so he pulled her hair and punched her in the face. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/doj-releases-epstein-files-containing-sexual-assault-allegations-against-trump

    2 died from "rough sex" by testimony of one worker at zoro ranch. Dug up graves were found when they looked for bodies.

    Also, there were hundreds of rape victims, and about 22 have died publicly since the story broke. And trump still walks free.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    lol that fuckin strait ain't opening this year, is it

    say bye bye to economic growth by next month

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Iran will keep it closed until after the elections. They understand exactly how poisonous this is to Trump, and how it will affect MAGA in the election. Keeping the Strait closed hurts Trump and MAGA more than all the missiles in their arsenal, and they have to do almost nothing to maintain it for as long as they feel like it.

    If Trump tries to throw a few missiles, they'll just retaliate by bombing our shitty friends (but not Saudi Arabia, never the Saudis), who will then get madder at US.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why doesn't Iran attack KSA, apart from a few US bases? I thought they were the main rival in the region, and given the extent that the US and Israel have already been attacking them I don't see much risk of escalation

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    They don't need to. They're winning, and widening the conflict now can only hurt them. All Iran has to do is sit tight, lob a missile at the strait every now and then, and wait for the US to fold. They've found the perfect strategy for this situation and opponent.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Here's some hopium for us all: Considering how little the average person has benefited from economic growth, that might not be so bad.

    Especially if it hastens our independence from fossil fuels (which, in a sane world, events like this absolutely should).

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That is a wild thought. I saw something that said the top ten percent of the economy is the only sector of the economy showing any movement. Essentially that 90% of Americans have zero economic power.

    Your observation kinda lines up with that. It would also make "I love the inflation" make sense. The capital class is doing good.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Hold on to your britches, the economy is going down like a rollercoaster. After the SpaceX and other AI company IPOs, odds are that a bubble much larger than the Dotcom iteration will explode.

    I could do with less interesting times.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    So this technically means that Iran won, right?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    No, its not victory, its just them getting whatever they want and us giving it to them in order to make the killing stop.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Trump doesn't give a shit about the killing, what he want is for the oil prices to go down again.
    But he can only achieve that by accepting that he lost, and that's the part he doesn't like.
    For Trump it's always about winning, he can't stand to look like a loser. If he can make it look like a win, and get the oil prices down, then he will accept a deal. But it's very hard to see what such a deal could be?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    The killing isn't going well for him, makes him look weak. He cares. Oil prices aren't coming down before the election. One of the first things Iran's current regime on the world stage did was ratfuck a US president by pulling some shit like this. They are aware.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    So Obama merely released Iran's own monetary assets in American banks that we had frozen, which Trump attacked relentlessly, as recently as last week, but now he's going to PAY them to repair the damage HE caused?

    He won't be able to rationalize these concessions, so once again he will kill the deal, and blame Biden.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    He won’t be able to rationalize these concessions

    As if his supporters needed any "rationalization".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No, they're cool with it, but they have to have a story that everyone sticks to, no matter how outlandish.

    For example:

    We need everyone to verify their age and identity on the Internet, so that children will never learn what human genitalia look like, NOT because they want to track our every move, and identify every single statement we post on the Internet.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The president keeps straight up lying and saying the deal covers the nuclear issue, even as Iran says it doesn't.

    This deal won't hold even if it's reached. As if our president could say no to Israel when they restart hostilities. This thing won't end, it just remains to be seen if Iran is willing to accept lebanon being turned into gaza and attacks against Iran and their people while still keeping the straits open.

    This will go on forever, peace deal or no.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Until conservatives lose control of the US.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Don't be so sure. Trump has tipped the US's hand and shown them to be weak as piss. It's going to be pretty hard to walk back from here now since Trump has ruined all the soft power the US had around the world, and now we all know the military aren't up to the task either the US will no longer hold a position of power at the negotiating table. Trump has completely and utterly fucked the US globally.

    Can you imagine Iran embarrassing the US weekly in the 1970s? They wouldn't have dared. But now most of the world is laughing with them as we watch Trump shart himself to death.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    It is impossible to verify the draft agreement, which the Mirror has been given, because it could be a Tehran bid to combat the lies about settlements uttered by Trump.

    Even the mirror is calling all sides as lacking credibility, fucking hell if that's not an indication of how fucked this whole situation is...

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Art of the deal, everyone

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Deal implodes Monday and Bessent makes a few million. Tune in next week for more market manipulation!

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  • [+] 49 points 5 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    SOP with Trump: lose and declare victory.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Iran should make him call it the “Obama best ever president peace deal”. I’d be willing to hold out for that but also I don’t buy gas.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    art of the deal.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Haha he's so used to his deals being unknown so he probably can't accept one less than Obama's previous deal since itll be public. Hard to spin the cash they're giving them when numbers are known.

    This is your bed you lay in it, unfortunately a position Trump will never accept. Mean hopefully he does for everyone else but that alone means nothing for Trump....the great deal maker, the bastion of making a deal, apparently he made an art of it or something by being the best bullshitter.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The article says solving the nuclear issue is not realistic in 60 days, I think it is. Trump will propose to reinstate what Obama obtained, with his name sharpied over.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Iran will never accept those terms today. That ship sailed when USA attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations.
    And now Iran has found out their negotiation position is way better than they thought before Israel ans USA attacked them.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    It does largely appear to be their ballgame, but the US seems quite content to utterly collapse states in the Middle East lately.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, this is an absolute shitshow, and USA is probably the biggest loser in all of this. Not Trump, he is raking in money on insider trading and corruption, but USA and average Americans are losing a lot of money on higher oil prices.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The thing I wanna know is how many israeli's are doing the Anne Frank thing with palestinian families. You know: hiding them in the basement and feeding them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Ani said it best, “Get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand 
    Of someone else's desert 
    Put it back in its pants 
    And quit the hypocritical chants of 
    Freedom forever”

    • Self Evident
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