Its the spying and subscriptions that keep me away.

Idk about the telemetry in the electronics in regards to privacy but we just got a 2021 Bolt used (previously leased w/ 12k miles) and it was 17k USD out the door and my wife loves it. It gets charged off solar at home and we laugh at people talking about gas prices. Bikes, trains, busses, and regular old feet are also a big part of our lives, but IMO people acting like EVs are an impossibility are deluding themselves to defend a harmful status quo /shrug

eat all of my shit and hair

ew, waiter, there's a hair in this shit!

This it the main deterrent for most "innovations" these days. No, im not going to subscribe. If you require a subscription its a non starter.

Unfortunately all new cars, including EV's, sold in the American market have been repurposed into intelligence gathering apparatuses.

I will not buy any car that has any generation of cellular modem built-in, let alone AI cameras to constantly scan my face.

Which means I'll probably be driving 2010 era vehicles for the rest of my life, which frankly I'm okay with.

So even if they regulate or ban subscription car features, you're still stuck with a giant 24/7 spy box in your garage.

Curious what subscriptions you’re talking about. I have an EV and I pay for traffic and the iphone app, but both of those require cell service and remote servers that need upkeep. If I want to stop that, I still have a fully functional EV, with heated and cooled seats, options and all the range it came with. It’s a 2024 Audi too.

5. They depreciate faster than room temperature milk.

Now, that depreciation may be (or probably is) offset by the decreased fuel and maintenance costs, but I see this point too often ignored.

Hyundai and KIA are notably missing from your list. Besides the DC converter failures, they're very solid.

Toyota / Subaru make EVs, but in a "fiiiine, if you insist" way, their heart really wasn't into it and it shows.

meanwhile honda has retreated on EVs... .AGAIN....

I so want to convert my old honda element into a 40-60m range EV. it's so damned compact and handy.

I don't understand why they can't just make electric versions of their most popular cars. I'm not saying take the chassis and literally just get rid of the engine and put motors on the wheels because that's where you get things at the Nissan leaf from. But they can start with their popular cars as a good jumping off point.

Personally I want an electric version of the Ford Estate, with fold down and removable back seats for when I need the extra storage capacity, two hook on the back, roof racks on the roof, and lots of buttons. I don't need self-driving unless it actually works and I don't anything clever doing with the door handles, It's a car that's going to be driving on the road at 60, it doesn't need to be particularly aerodynamic.

Trucks and SUVs are popular because they can be made cheaper due to government subsidies and lax emissions laws that exempt them.

That's on top of the massive tariff in place for any truck imported into the US. Its a main reason the Big 3 basically stopped making sedans.

How can you not consider your all of your needs when buying a vehicle?

You don't need more than 200 miles of range if you are using roads in the United States.

So, 260 advertised.

You just don't.