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[–] 5 points 5 months ago*

Oops, I did the upgrade and lost access.

Easy fix: create another partition from 27, install older macOS, boot into that and change startup disk back to Asahi

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    Really, fuck apple for all that shit

    That's why I'm not buying their hardware, even if it often is good
    They just fuck you over, because they want to keep you in their fucking walled garden.

    Hopefully not getting redundant here, so I'll just finish with a fuck them!

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    They fix bugs to keep asahi working all the time, this is literally a beta release, chill.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Alright

    I'm not buying into Apple stuff because of the things Apple does
    So seemingly locking other people out of using their hardware just seemed in line

    But ok, I'll retract my comment

    Edit: I corrected my comment with the stuff, that was wrong

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, in fairness, if I read a headline that was like "in silent apple update, MacBooks with Asahi Linux installed will self destruct the lithium ion battery once it detects the user is asleep and unable to stop the explosion" I'd have been like "yeah. That tracks. Sucks that their hardware is so fucking good."

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    But it’s not a silent Apple update. It’s literally a beta release for beta users and you have to click update to update!

    For fucks sake. If a headline said “Mr Roger’s ran someone over with his car and didn’t tell anyone about it” would you believe it or be slightly incredulous? This user didn’t even post the actual headline, which mentioned it was a beta. Does no one have critical thinking skills anymore?

    It’s like believing Microsoft purposefully puts in idiotic bugs and security vulnerabilities into their OS multiple times a month. They’re not doing it on purpose, they’re just completely incompetent.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    "if I read a headline" that's how I started my comment. "If I read A headline"

    I did not say anything about this one. I just expressed empathy at the users misunderstanding of the original post.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago

    A beta release that is absolutely littered with bugs. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it because they broke something, or just straight up the Asahi bootloader needs to be updated.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It would be pretty egotistical to think that Apple did this on purpose. Apple just updated their shit. Now Ashai needs to update theirs.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago*

    Yeah, I'm sorry for that misunderstanding

    I think, I'll need to redact a bit more of my comment

    Edit: on a second look... Sorry, I think, I did fine
    Maybe it's not on topic anymore, but it still goes fine with my view of Apple

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    That's shitty, but who is seriously spending that much on Apple hardware to run Linux on it?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Two big use cases. You want to run MacOS and Linux on the same hardware, and you boot into each OS separately at different times.

    Or, you have old personal or enterprise hardware sitting around, and you’d like to repurpose it for Linux. That use case is a tale as old as time.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Hmm ok that makes sense, I could see using a lightweight distro after Apple updates run out

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Apple is still updating all their arm macs, even the old M1s.

    My guess is that you’ll get a lot of people who are are on newer M series hardware, but kept the old stuff around (I’m one of those people), or you get these larger / midsize enterprises that just accumulate a shit ton of 1-3 year old computers that are perfectly fine, but are just gathering dust.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Just bought my first ever apple device (M1 MacBook Air), because I needed either windows or Mac for school, and I got tired of jumping through hoops with virtual machines and low end hardware on used windows machines I'd put Linux on. I miss Linux as my daily driver terribly, but I do know now that my next windows/Mac machine will be mac. And when that day comes, I look forward to putting Asahi on this little MacBook Air. It's great hardware, and I'm hoping Asahi will have matured a lot by then and be a great experience.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I still use a little M1 Air as a daily driver, but I have some of the newer hardware for work, and now I want to upgrade to that stuff. The newer Apple Silicon is kind of nutty.

    Still though, for a 6-year-old machine, it’s still perfectly fine for day-to-day stuff. I only notice the crunch when I throw some of my processor intensive software development toys at it. The latest dev beta of MacOS 27 even runs great on it.

    Apple does a lot of shitty stuff, but their silicon game has been solid.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, I have been stunned by how well this little machine does with only 8gb of ram. It's at least as snappy and smooth as my yoga with 16 GB of ram running Fedora was before it broke. I do miss daily driving Fedora, and I've been keeping a list of things that irritate about macos vs Gnome/fedora just to see how the transition goes over the next year or so. But honestly, for my workflow it's been amazing. That said, I am primarily a browser based user and not a very techy person in general.

    Oh, also, having an actual desktop top to sync proton drive has been *amazing *

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yeah, I also only have 8 gig in mine. I used to run into problems when I had multiple accounts running, with each accounts actively running Adobe apps, Figma, IDEs. That ‘lil fella couldn’t take that lol.

    The Macs with 16gig can handle that abuse with no problem. 8 gigs, not so much. Lol.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    A lot of people? Mac os is unbearable shit with close to zero benefits.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I always thought MacOS is better then Modern Windows.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You can force windows os to behave, you can't force mac os. They both are horrible in different ways.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    In what ways can’t you force Mac to behave? It’s literally Unix. I run hammerspoon and have everything I need and more, stuff that windows can never do. It is missing a few things I like in Linux, but I also can’t force Linux to behave the way Mac does so it’s not like Linux is magically better either.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    What, Apple pulls a Windows?

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    [–] 55 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Taking a leaf out of Microsoft's book, I see

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I tried dual booting for a very short time ~20 years ago (oh man...) Every time Windows would obliterate my grub config/mbr and I'd have to dig up instructions to reconfigure grub from live cd. Never again.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Back in those (pre-UEFI) days it was quite easy to add GRUB to the Windows boot manager instead.

    You'd wind up with a menu entry that Windows would usually leave alone, unlike its aggressive reinstallation overwriting GRUB.

    Once UEFI came along, it became easier to give each OS an entire disk with no connections between them, and use the BIOS as the boot menu.

    Or, y'know, just give Windows the flick and only run Linux 😉

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It’s a beta…they fix bugs to get asahi booting all the time. This isn’t new.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Read it as "Apple's boot licker" wouldn't expect anything else from them.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Nice to see a corporation show some fear towards a community project.

    Been very happily living in Asahi for the last few weeks. It's buggy, but totally usable for a daily driver. So usable that I'm tempted to obliterate the macOS partition entirely.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    You should keep it around, per the Asahi docs themselves, and marcan provides some additional context in a reddit comment which I've also quote here:

    Can, yes. Should, no. It is not supported right now. You won't be able to install Asahi if you first remove macOS, and removing it after requires messing with partitions using a USB boot image or similar, and will leave you without the ability to recover from certain problems without outright reinstalling macOS first, plus no firmware updates (which might become required in the future to enable certain features - do you really want to find out you can't play newer games because you need a GPU firmware update and you have to reinstall macOS for that?).

    We'll have more options for this in the future, but right now we do not support it and if you go this way, you're on your own.

    That all leaves multiple copies of recoveryOS of course, which is a stripped-down version of macOS itself. It is not possible to remove recoveryOS and keep your machine functional at all. It is basically part of your BIOS.

    You could try using diskutil apfs resizeContainer <container ID> minimum (I don't 100% recall if the last argument is actually minimum but using the regular --help should give you the correct one) in macOS to shrink the macOS container to smaller than the Asahi installer typically allows, or use expert mode in the Asahi install script to override the macOS size check, possibly with fewer negative consequences than deleting it outright.

    Sorry if you already know all this but I thought I'd add it here just in case!

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    I remember I told one of the asahi devs (lina?) How shitty apple is and how they try to make it as hard as possible for them to make a linux that runs on apple computers. they got triggered, told me this is not the case and apple is very cooperative, then blocked me on mastodon.

    guess they like the arrangement.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I used to work for an apple reseller.

    Apple devs were fairly normal people and were totally honest with us during developer training. I would happily have a beer with them

    Some Apple sales managers were absolute cocks though. One of them treated me like an idiot one week in front of customers when I defended windows on Mac, and the next week, he was talking like he was a genius and repeated every argument I made the week before.

    Apple talks lots of s*** about Linux. Absolutely don't buy an Apple if you want a Linux system. The Asahi devs deserve a lot of respect though

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This sounds like you were harassing a volunteer dev that had an actual direct interaction with a corporation based on hearsay and they rightfully blocked a troll that wasn't contributing anything meaningful or constructive to the project.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Social media is for socializing. They posted something in the lines of "we can't get graphics to work properly" and I sympathized with them about how hard it must be dealing with apples' dick moves.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    I was just saying that your own description of events made you sound like a troll. I don't know the truth of the matter and frankly it's irrelevant. If they are working closely with Apple, those kinds of comments on what I assume was their own public forum are an unhelpful distraction at best and potentially detrimental to their corporate relationship with Apple. You could be %100 correct about Apple and the devs could %100 agree with your sentiment, but that doesn't mean that the social media forum they host is an appropriate place for that kind of discussion. It's not helpful for them and only has the potential to make their situation worse. They blocked you and moved on so they could focus on the project instead of the noise. Even if your intentions were good (and I do actually believe you meant well) I understand why they did what they did.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Oh look, Microsofts strategy to use whatever method to keep you (except of course making good and reliable software) and reminding you that your computer is theirs, not yours.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago*

    It was obvious from beginning that the excitement over ARM Macs was short sighted. Major hack jobs will continually require hacking around things. It's inevitably going to break. There will be unforseeably long periods of downtime. There always be periods of being to not upgrade yet. There will be unforeseen issues that cause this or that feature to be broken. It will always be buggy. It will always be X% working but we just need a few more breakthroughs (which never come). It's always Soon(TM).

    Inevitably one of the main contributors will move on and the project dies. At best the X% working sees a major reduction. The next significant breakage results in much longer or indefinite period of time to find a new hack.

    I was laughing at the talk about how Apple is being cooperative or whatever. Let's see Apple post the hardware reference manuals. Cooperative is being open.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This is bad, but also we're less than a week into a developer preview build here, we might want to hold our horses for a moment

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Fix: Create another partition from macOS 27, install older macOS version, boot into it and change startup volume back to Asahi

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I honestly don't understand what people even like about Apple. They aren't privacy focused at all. They still collect a lot of personalized data about you. And even if it's not as much as google, still doesn't make it good, just makes it less bad. And they store it securely somewhere on a "trust me bro" basis, promising to not tell anyone else.

    Apart from that: Apple is trying everything to avoid you realizing that you're using a computer. Personally, I find IT experts using apple computers to be contradictory of some sorts, because of apple's attempt at hiding the actual computer from you.

    I understand that having a 1kg metal frame in front of you feels great & premium, but that can't seriously be one of the major selling points...

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    congratulations, you played yourself

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