Why do you think it's disgusting and immoral?
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Totally fine, it will be our technological goal. The natural biological functions that come from nature are far more powerful then artificial systems we build.
are you talking about real morals humans follow, or nonsense “morals” written in a religious text several thousand years ago?
Why should your morality be more important then mine? Morality is a deeply personal thing and a thing of the times.
Until 150 years ago it was moral to enslave people of different colour.
In some parts of the world it is still moral to withhold marriage rights to same sex couples.
so do you believe everyone was immoral until 150 years ago (participation in and tolerance for slavery) or do you believe we are immoral today for denying the right to own slaves (as allowed by religious texts)?
So then everyone before the Quran was immoral? literally not a single human being existed before the Quran was written who was moral? Or were they immoral without knowing it because nobody had told them "slavery is wrong" yet? That seems profoundly unjust.
It's also important to note that according to Surah Al-An'am 6:112, any human who rebels against God and dedicated themselves to leading others astray is classified as a demon.
So I guess enslaving an atheist activist like Richard Dawkins is morally acceptable according to you? Since he is, according to the Quran, a demon?
you still didn't answer my question about all the people who lived before the Quran. Were they all immoral? Was slavery morally allowed before the Quran was written? Or were they immoral but ignorant of their immorality only because nobody had told them yet?
I think it's just super nifty and I look forward to finding out what's possible in the field. Imagine server powered by photosynthesis. That'd be awesome.
If you take the holistic view, servers are already powered by photosynthesis. It just happens that most of them are powered by photo synthesis that occurred millions and millions of years ago.
Hmm, chemistry was never my strongest subject, but IIRC photosynthesis is about producing sugars, and it's plant respiration that captures carbon. But the energy in coal (which powers most electricity production worldwide) and oil is stored in hydrocarbons.
You're right, chemistry was not your strong point. The sugars produced by photosynthesis are the ones that get turned into coal and oil. Plant respiration actually is the reverse of photosynthesis (it's essentially human respiration) and is done for exactly the same reason that humans use it for, to produce energy for use by the plant. A plant just does more photosynthesis than respiration, which causes it to grow over time as it accumulates carbon based molecules and stores them.
I would love to know this user's thoughts on gay and trans people... Getting really tired of arguments from the "it's icky and I don't like it" crowd.
transiting is a sin
So you believe all males are a living sin? According to biology all foetus start as female before developing male body parts.
It's just another frontier of science with its own risks and rewards. Sure there are ways to use or produce it immoraly, but it's not inherently immoral.
DNA is just a polymer, one we have some capabilities in manipulating. It is not inherently alive, nor do it's instructions necessarily have to relate to something living. When processed by living things they contain instructions on producing proteins, but they don't need to be processed by living things and could be used to store arbitrary information in a dense environment.
Neurons, while cellular are not alive in and of themselves. They require a full host to operate, but are essentially weighted dynamic switches (interneurons), environmental inputs (sensory neurons), or outputs (motor neurons). Devoid of a host they are inert, but provided the right artificial environment they can function. "Function" just means operating in that input, switch, output mode though--it doesn't mean being alive as a macroorganism, being sentient, or having feelings. Using a handful of farmed human neurons to play Doom is more an exercise in controlling the dynamic environment needed for the switch connections to be made, therefore, than an exercise in enslaving a conscience person.
Nature has been the source of inspiration and development since before the dawn of humans. I see no reason it should stop at the doorstep of biology--especially when the extent is cultured environments developed in a lab to be a facsimile of a part of a living thing. A part of living thing does not a living thing make.
Personally, I'd like to see technology go for a more symbiotic route. An extension of humans... but not copies, not AI, not always-online/proprietary etc.
Give me more stable microbiomes, more enzymes and similar synthesis, extend my nervous system with other types of life (extract pollution from trees for fun and profit). They will be part of me, I will treat them better than how many treat their livers. I could even probably play DOOM without training!
It's definitely a gray area (pun intended). Research has shown that the neuron lab matter takes the normal gestation period to fully start communicating and organizing properly. So it suggests that its inevitable that neural matter reaches a state of completion ready for life at end of gestarion.
I.e. rat neurons are ready in a few weeks
I think its somewhat early in research. They are seeing they can process info through the neurons like computing, and that at full gestation period there is a change. However they claim that without external sensing and stimuli such as vision or movement or a way to interact with the environment that they arent sure if true conscious like behaviour would emerge, because an organism learns its surrounding and sense of self by interaction with the physical world. Its a scary topic that I don't have proper knowledge to comment on how beneficial or horrific it might be
Why is it OK for nature to do this, but not us?
And if it's only OK for God to do, why did God let us develop the technology to do it? In fact it could be argued all science is divinely inspired - the Catholics believe this for instance - so this is God's plan for us.
Just a bit silly to decide a whole nascent field is unethical because it rubs you the wrong way somehow.
I think there are serious ethical problems that we need to solve with science before we start using either natural OR ARTIFICIAL neurons in computers.
There are many living things in the world, most of which we don't really care about. No one asks a tree if it wishes to be a plank of wood. No one feels bad for eating a potato, and only some would feel badly about training an ox to pull a plow. There's no evidence sentience is a product of the number of neurons; there are creatures with many more neurons than us that are far less self-aware. Much like the circuitry of a chip, it's not the amount of copper and silicon that makes it work, it's how it's arranged. The cells themselves do not suffer, they are fed and functioning and that is sufficient, no different than a bacteria. Beyond that, a neuron based processor is no more sentient than copper and sand unless we design it to mimic a living brain.
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