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[–] 16 points 5 months ago

"Now that is how you make a vegan shitpost"

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    If they don't use it as a noun it doesn't work, that's why. "Other women" cows aren't women, they are cows or bulls. Female cows, implied, but also the you can't say "other", we aren't cows. If they want to equate women and cows they kiiiinda need to use the bad term I guess? Regardless of your feelings with what they are saying.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It works well. They were going for the dehumanization of women and they achieved it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    with the current format of the meme no combination of words exists for them to compare and contrast humans to animals, other than "females."

    Thats... Incredibly superficial and shows zero cultural awareness.

    One half of the meme is an abortion rights campaign phrase, which is a badly needed campaign because women don't have that right in many places around the world. And it's majorly opposed by conservative men. Those same men also use the term "females" to refer to women in a derogatory way.

    only when you get to the end of the text do you realise it exists for 1 messaging purpose

    This is ALSO a very common method for that exact same group to pretend their misogynist messaging is covered up when pointed out. They go "it's not about dehumanizing women, it's about veganism bro!" Or "that's not the point, you're digging too deep, keep being triggered lol".

    This is a common method to dogwhistle their in-group.

    they could have, I suppose, opened with a woman saying "I'm sure glad I'm not artificially inseminated every nine months so milk can be harvested from my body!" Then cut to a picture of a cow in the second panel. It's essentially the same thing.

    It's the same surface level message. But using their misogynist worldview to carry the surface level message ALSO reinforces that worldview.

    The more you also support that framework, the more the framework is normalized. The more the framework is normalized, the easier it becomes to dehumanize and degrade women.

    And arguing about it in bad faith, which they have to, is also what happens a lot. Because when someone points out a dogwhistle, it becomes less effective.

    Everything is malformed messaging to increase it's viral-spread quality.

    Exactly. But the viral load isn't on the surface. Using a framework to convey normal information supports that framework. The framework is the point, the surface information is a cover.

    And using the surface info that appeals to "the enemy" is doubly effective, because it makes your enemy look deranged, scoring you a double win.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Will vegans ever learn that taking the moral high ground has never worked for converting anyone?

    Fine dude, you're better human than me, congratulations. Call me when you start doing activisms against the carnic industry and not the people or leave me the fuck alone.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Vegans aren't better than you just because you make more harmful choices.

    Nobody made you click this thread. You don't want to be left alone, you want people to stop talking about subjects you don't like.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The “carnic industry” is the people, the suppliers and the consumers. You think dismantling a factory farm alone is going to end meat consumption? You’d still be out there finding a way to indulge, so the problem has to be dealt with at its source. Now some people might complain that killing humans in defense of animals is morally wrong, but taking the moral high ground has never worked for converting anyone.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The “carnic industry” is the people, the suppliers...

    Yes, exactly!

    ...and the consumers.

    *Facepalm*

    You think dismantling a factory farm alone is going to end meat consumption?

    Literally yes? Though not just one, obviously. Also, the total end of meat consumption is stupid; reducing it is more feasible.

    Now some people might complain that killing humans in defense of animals is morally wrong, but taking the moral high ground has never worked for converting anyone.

    The hell are you talking about? Are you just saying stuff and using my words to look smart a cocky?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Suppliers meet a demand. Dismantle one, or all of them, and the demand will continue if the consumer’s attitude isn’t changed, it’ll just be a black market. There’s no formal crack industry but there’s still supply and demand. Blaming your meat eating on the existence of suppliers is one of the saddest blame shifts and lack of personal accountability statements I’ve ever read. Trying to convince me that if the industry was removed that humanity would accept it as the new norm is… unrealistic.

    My abandoning of the moral high ground approach, which you suggested does not get people to change, is indeed a cocky spin on your words (I thought that was obvious) because you acknowledge it’s the moral high ground then demand to be left alone to indulge your derelict morality. If you concede moral superiority, prepare to be called out for your lower standards. Escalate with snark, get snark thrown back at you. Don't like it? Go find some echo chamber where you don’t have to have your values challenged.

    But quick question, you said to go after the industry, not people, but then agreed when I said the industry is people. So who exactly am I supposed to be targeting?

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's really bizzare to me that the only takeaway most people are getting is "humans are inherently better than other animals by merit of being human, so any comparison you make to another animal is offensive" and not "maybe repeated forcible impregnation for someone's entire life so I can have an unnecessary food product is a fucked up thing to do". That's the bit that stands out the most I would think?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Exactly. I would say veganism should be no "trendy" culture, but just an obvious consequence for treating animals the same like us, being also animals. But if people already get offended by food topics, there is no ground to advance that topic any further to ethics or so 😁

    I'm not even a vegan BTW.

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I swear the Vegan community has to be some kind of anti-vegan psyops.

    "Bodily autonomy advocates are all hypocrites and cows are literally people" is such a tone deaf stance perfect for making only enemies.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Bodily autonomy advocates are all hypocrites

    This meme is pointing out that some are hypocrites, but is by no means saying that all bodily autonomy advocates are all hypocrites. It is pointing out the hypocrisy of when a person advocates for the bodily autonomy of humans while not caring about the bodily autonomy of other animals.

    cows are literally people

    I cannot tell where you think that is being implied. You don't have to equate other animals to humans in order to care about them.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    When you're working on your messaging, try to remember that

    Humans are more important than animals.

    Whether you believe it or not, it'll further your goals.

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    Humans are more important than other animals exactly in the same way your sibling is more important than a rando in another country.

    The fact you'd pick your sibling before a stranger in a trolley problem doesn't mean you get to exploit, abuse, mistreat them or shoot them for a burger. Same goes for non-human animals.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why are humans more important than animals?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Because saying otherwise in your messaging is counterproductive. The people you reach through a social media meme aren't the ones who will respond to that in a way you want.

    The "where do you draw the line" animals one is much better messaging.

    Is your goal to influence people towards your cause or away from it?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This is the right community for a shit post

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    What year is it?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    Good to see the whackadoodle stereotype being bucked so successfully. Just missing multiple exclamation marks after each sentence.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Animals are not people

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Wow you're so much better than me by being vegan. Congratulations.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Using the word "carnist" in your post title must be one of the best indicator for idiotic takes. Thanks for self-reporting!

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    "other females" At least make better bait if you have to create strawmens to make people hate the vegan movement

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