EDIT: Accidentally duplicated post. Please see https://startrek.website/post/25896182 for all responses and put future responses there. Also, I have more theorizing there.

A picture of Lieutenant Junior Grade Nog.

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[–] 14 points 1 year ago

For the first part, why he doesn't have a formal education: Nog is living on a space station with his uncle and father. Not in a Ferengi society. The Uncle doesn't want to shell out for an education for the kid cause he's Ferengi and doesn't want to pay for things, and the father just goes along because he's kind of a doormat. There's not enough opportunity for job-shadowing that allows Nog to learn from a Ferengi mentor that's capable of teaching such things as literacy, so he remains ignorant. Also explains why he gets into so much trouble (aside from the bad influence of his uncle), as he has too much free time from lack of mentorship.

He also shows that he's very hard working when he applies himself. So, in addition to tutoring from Jake and probably Keiko, he just buckles down and does the work. Especially when he gets to the academy. He specifies in "Homefront" (Or "Paradise Lost", I don't remember exactly) that he's doing all right at the Academy. Not excelling, so he's struggling. Probably not the least of which is because he's behind in education as compared to his classmates.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Harry Kim got addicted to clarinet

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nog went up the ranks more quickly because of the war, which provided him with many opportunities. Also, his connections, which allowed him to intern on DS9 and the Defiant, again in the context of war.

    Harry was on a ship isolated from Starfleet. If Janeway had promoted everyone who had the merit, she'd have had a ship full of commanders and a handful of captains by the time they got home. But most of those people would have had to keep doing the same jobs, anyway.

    But the true reason for the discrepancy noted by OP is just down to the fact that Voyager's writing team just wasn't as good as DS9's (or they were held back from above). The only characters to have a meaningful arc on Voyager were the Doctor, and Seven. The others mostly just had to reset at the end of every episode to preserve the show's episodic nature.

    Harry never got promoted because the writers never figured out how to evolve his function on the show. Now, I assign a small part of the blame to Garrett Wang himself: he rarely gave performances that stood out and made the writers want to write about him more. But most of the blame goes to the writers and show-runners.

    For example, if they'd exploited dual crews more throughout the series, with more conflict, etc., Harry might have found a place. Imagine if the Maquis crew had had their own ship for a big part of the series? Harry, eventually frustrated at being passed over for promotion, might have joined them!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Harry never got promoted because the writers never figured out how to evolve his function on the show.

    This one is a bit of a copout, because Kim's official role as the ship's operations officer would absolutely have been appropriate for a higher ranking officer. It's the same job Data held as a Lieutenant Commander on the Enterprise; if anything, the strange bit is that it was given to a green ensign in the first place.

    Ultimately, the real explanation is a much sillier bit of bad writing. According to Garret Wang, quoted here:

    Kim was probed, beaten, tortured and held the distinction of being the first Voyager crew member to die and come back to life. What more does a guy have to do to get promoted to Lieutenant for frak’s sake? To add further insult to injury, other crew members such as Tuvok (Russ) and Paris were being promoted, demoted and then re- promoted throughout the seven-year run of Voyager.

    I’m not trying to be negative here; just saying it like it is. During the fourth season, I called writer/producer Brannon Braga and asked him why my character hadn’t received a promotion yet. His response? “Well, somebody’s gotta be the ensign.” Geez, thanks. Thanks for nothing.

    Why it was important that "somebody’s gotta be the ensign" is a mystery to me.

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  • Hard work, dedication, and Lobes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Janeway kept Kim on a permanent coffee-finding mission.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Maybe Janeway was just secretly really racist against Asian people. Just because society has left bigotry behind doesn't mean all members of that society have.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can’t delete the duplicate?

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My favorite part of the Harry Kim joke is that at the end of Voyager, he was a captain, but Janeway rewrote that timeline to save Seven of Nine, so she ended up doing a retcon on Harry's promotions from Ensign. Never my captain, that's for sure.

    I feel like it'd be canon for him to be Naomi Wildman's first officer.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    It might be possible Ferengi also have higher-than-human-average neuroplasticity and simply adapt easier - this might even aid in the on the job theory.

    I think you're on to something.

    Various Ferengi having a kind of genius foreign to Federation values is a recurring theme in DS9.

    Nog, in particular, gets up to some antics that probably require some brilliance. I recall him hacking or circumventing things even early in the series.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In TNG Wesley has a hard time getting into the academy and one of the other applicants is a genius in his own right.

    I feel like there was some affirmative action going on.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago

    Although Wesley’s acceptance occurred only months after Wolf 359 - it’s possible that event caused Starfleet to more easily accept cadets (including Wesley), and just happened to benefit Nog’s chances.

    The Dominion tensions around the time of Nog’s admission may have also put Starfleet on edge and caused them to continue Wolf 359 era admission policies.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Anytime someone is the first of their species to join Starfleet, they tend to bend some rules. Which seems pretty consistent across the franchise.

    And he is clearly a competent engineer.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Anytime someone is the first of their species to join Starfleet, they tend to bend some rules. Which seems pretty consistent across the franchise.

    Even in The Orville (which is a love letter to the franchise) they do acknowledge that, especially when there's a Xeleyan applicant. Xeleyans typically don't join Starfleet the Union fleet due to their preference for academic and scientific endeavors. When one does sign up, they get fast-tracked.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Didn't Wesley go to some special testing that had the geniuses competing for one specific seat. I recall he basically went there because there happened to be a particular available slot rather than just the general admission.

    From the episode:

    Captain's log, stardate 41416.2. We're orbiting Relva Seven, where Wesley Crusher is about to be tested for entrance into Starfleet Academy.

    CHANG: I'm proud of all of you. You've done a superb job. Each of you would make a fine Starfleet officer. It's unfair that only one candidate from Relva will attend the Academy this year, and a loss to the Federation if the rest of you do not return to test again. Mister Mordock will be the candidate. His results were slightly higher than Mister Crusher's. Congratulations, Mister Mordock. You're the first Benzite in Starfleet.

    So I think it has much more to do with the timing of his attempt that mattered. Had he just waited with everyone else it wouldn't have been such an intense competition

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I see two explanations. One, perhaps by "reading", they're referring to reading of a lengua franca like Federation standard - Nog has learned and is capable of reading the Ferengi language, but not another. When dealing with other languages, the general expectation is either a universal translator is used or they pick it up as they go.

    I feel like this is a potential argument alongside the increased neuroplastisity. Jake and Keiko would not have been able to help him learn to read Ferengi as I very much doubt they could read it themselves.

    Still Starfleet seems to have educational requirements. In LD:"Something Borrowed, Something Green", Tendi mentions how she wouldn't have gotten into the Academy without having gone to high school, suggesting Nog needs the equivalent of a high school education to train to be a Starfleet officer.

    Clearly The Sisko was better at persuading Starfleet / The UFP itself how politically advantageous it would be to have an officer from a world thar, not that long ago, had been expected to be the next major enemy.

    Thinking on this, Nog's family had connnections to the Nagus (I'm not sure if it's revealed before or after his joining - but even if it's after the Federation has spies ) so his rise though the ranks could be as much about politics as it is about his raw talent

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    He wasn't stranded in the delta quadrant and also had a better boss.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I assmued it was Federation Standard (english) they were teaching him. It would make sense the Ferengi never learn since their prejudice towards the Federation

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The Dominion War probably helped create some job opportunities. During the war, Starfleet was launching ships as quickly as they could. In addition, they have to promote to fill in gaps left injured or killed personnel. After the war, some people may leave Starfleet, others, like O’Brien, may take a reassignment that had been deferred, creating more opportunities to advance.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Promoted officers aren't always the smartest guy in the room. You have to be likable as well.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago

    The "Harry Kim" thing was mostly just a joke. I guess the more literal phrasing of my question is how did someone, over less than three years, go from seemingly severely inadequate education to being accepted into Starfleet Academy and becoming an effective officer.

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