Don't know what to tell you. If you don't see the issue with taking another person's labor and exploiting it for your own capital gain, then I don't know why you're even leftist. You sound more like an opportunist at that point.

So capitalism, what I've been calling the problem this whole time?

Cool.

Corporations are the problem because they are exploiting and stealing other people's generated labor for capital gain.

There it is!

If someone else is doing that, it's still bad, because that's how corporations are started.

Boy oh boy, I had no idea people profited from their posts on Lemmy. Clearly I'm missing out!

You're right, capitalism is a problem. Abolishing capitalism is more important than fighting progress in AI development.

Ding ding ding!

But we aren't doing that. We aren't there.

Some are. Why aren't you focused on helping those folks rather than complain about a symptom of the problem?

So AI's current existence and commercial implementation is a net negative to society at large.

Just the commercial use, and how its been done.

How does that, in any way, relate to people making images and posting them to Lemmy? That some of them used a model that contained other peoples works? In what possible way does that relate to people posting their generated images to Lemmy?

example thats just capitalism as the problem

And yeah, I'm not generally that worried about people with their own LLMs or whatever. But they're not exactly free tools. Not everyone has equal access to them.

You can download them and use them, there are a ton of resources out there, both with and without the materials you're concerned a out, freely available and shared.

There is even a completely free AI horde available right here, with peoples donated resources. Thats about as accessible as it can be made.

More stuff where capitalism is the problem

So... what's your point? Fuck trying to fix things, everyone just do whatever you want, it's the end of days, hopefully revolution comes on its own?

My point is to focus on the actual problem, not be distracted by the latest method of exploitation. There is always another method, and focusing on just what's in front let's more line up behind it.

Original point: some people (didn't say me) think it's immoral.

And it always comes to this immorality being based in this point:

Secondary point: IP laws aren't inherently immoral, they conceptually exist to protect laborers from having their labor exploited by people with more existing capital.

So.... Capitalism

They aren't even good in their current implementation, but believing in some form of IP law under capitalism is essentially a socialist policy.

..... Wut?

Third point: When most people think of AI, they think of corporate use.

Yup.

Literally no one gives a flying fuck about your personal models trained on your personal data

Comments made across this post, as well as the mass down votes of AI communities, would absolutely disagree with you.

Since thats the entire subject here, seems like misplaced anger dont you think?

Fourth point: It's more important to worry about where we are at than where we want to be. And look around. AI is a problem, and it needs regulation, and regulation of it includes protecting ACTUAL artists.

I agree that you can't ignore things happening right now, but AI has not decimated the workforce. I even gave examples of people who do contracted creative work who explicitly said AI got them work because the work needed to be redone.

Ask any programmer how much they would trust an ai generated application. Let me know when you find one who says anything other than a wild laugh (that doesnt call themselves a vibe coder, pro tip, that is not a programmer).

And then let me know when you can tell me how any of this relates to people posting images to Lemmy.

I always thought the immoraility was not just about theft of labor. The environmental impact is where the real ethical problem comes in. Yes, a single person using their own LLM is a drop in the ocean of power usage, but if everyone used their own LLM, surely that would be even less efficient and more harmful than centralized data centres handling billions of queries (unless of course everyone is using sustainable energy sources).