Note.. all the games are in North America so within 3 hrs time zone .. but bars need to be open until 4am somehow

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[–] 73 points 5 months ago (30 children)

Why are they requiring bars to close by 4am? Just drop the restriction entirely. If you want to get shitfaced at 6am then go ahead.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago*

    This! When I was young, we used to stay at clubs so late that it was a bit light out when we came out. Grab some breakfast, and sleep the day away. Shit, we wouldn't even hit the clubs until after 23:00. Then we moved to Texas where everything closed at 2:00, no matter how packed it was. So depressing.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They only state they can stay open until 4am. It doesn't mention what time they reopen. My sister's bar opens at 6am or so. Supposedly for night shift workers.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.

    You need strong laws to not have businesses abusing and pressuring peoples to work the shity 14h shift till morning for earning a peanut.

    And workers protection law + North America are not often put in the same sentence.

    Also it’s generally not worth it business wise. Paying salaries and more from 2 to 4 (or 6am or whatever) to sell two beers means losing money. You might have a few festive nights here and there, but most of the weeks/months you’ll have an empty bar so even the owners are not pushing for it.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Allowing bars to stay open is not the same as requiring them to stay open. Owners won't keep a bar open 24 hours if there isn't any business.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I know that, but some might pressure you to work the night shift "or…"

    People living around bars also want to be able to sleep sometimes.

    Closed bar also means less drunk people in the streets. In my city you cannot buy alcohol "to go" in shops after 9pm and bars close at 2.

    After that if you want to continue partying you go to night clubs.

    Anyway, a wise drunk dude once said "nothing good happens after 2", and from experience he was right.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Closing means you have all the drunks dumped out on the street at the same time to have a fight. Stay open later, let people leave on their own staggering out out more.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You sure haven't lived above pubs near a stadium. I'd torch all the fucking drunkards.

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    That's such an entitled shit to say, holy shit check your privilege. What if it's one of the only things I could afford? What if it's my parents house? Come on.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    There are usually other places at a similar price, its very unlikely there is literally only 1 place to live and everything else is significantly higher unless you are getting a crack den - at which point the pub probably has more reasons to complain about having a crack den upstairs.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.

    That sounds more like countries enforcing a religious preference (day of rest on Sunday for church) than worker protection. I suppose it could be branded as secular, but so can France's ban on wearing hijabs in the name of laïcité.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Ehh, maybe it started of as a religious thing, perhaps why Sunday was chosen specifically; but the idea of forcing everyone to have a day off is wonderful.

    In the us, there's no federal law limiting the number of days people have to work. Some states have a 1 every 7 days rule. But that's not specific enough, for shift schedule work, they can set your off day to be Sunday this week, and Friday next week, and only schedule you a few hours a day so you get to work almost 2 weeks in a row with out overtime pay.

    IMO, it should be (regardless of number of hours worked) on day 6 your pay is 1.5x, and day 7 is required off. At day 8 it's 2x pay, +2 days of paid vacation time (worth 8 hours or your typical shift length (which ever is larger)). It all doubles each day with out a day off. With a signed agreement between you, HR, your boss, whomever is "in charge"/owns the company and the labor board with specific documentation explaining why you have to work so many days in a row and why the job can't wait a day or someone else can't fill in. Failure to do this step results in x5 back pay for everyday worked after 6. Doubling everyday after 8.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Nah, it's definitely a worker protection ting. Sure, it has religious origins, which is why it's specifically on Sundays, but that's not why we keep it in place. It's pretty widely supported that we should have one day per week where most shops are mandated to keep closed, and nobody sees a good reason to make it any other day than Sunday, so we've kept it on Sundays.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Because there is good data showing extended drinking hours have higher rates of violence and drunk driving. No one is getting refreshment at 4am, they are getting shit faced.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    There needs to be games at 6am though

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    There are other reasons to go to the pub. Half of the ones I go to don't even have screens. Though they are also not places I would want to go at 6am. They would probably choose not to open at that time anyway.

    My point is the government shouldn't be dictating the allowed opening hours. Regulations on staff working conditions is totally fine so having staff working 18 hour shifts is clearly bullshit, but if you want to hire enough staff to cover opening hours like that then you should be allowed to.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That's sounds like some crazy libertarian stuff

    Give people the liberty to choose? Nvr gonna happen

    It makes easier for the Dui quota if they can force alcoholics to get on the road at the same time

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    "crazy libertarian stuff" = business owners should be able to pick their own opening times?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I think theres a stigma around that rule more than it has anything to do with it being libertarian. The later bars are allowed to be open the worse of a look it gives the neighborhood. It could bring unwanted types of people in since those are the only people they believe would be drinking at 3am, as well as additional noise which could be disruptive if the bar is located next to residential places. I think its just seen as a bad look which is why its restricted. I am also someone who doesn't really care, but i guess location should matter in what time is the latest it can stay open. I grew up visiting NY a lot and they are a perfect example of who cares what time a bar closes and it was wonderful.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    Why?

    If a venue sees it as worth it to deal with the calibre of piss-head you get at 6am, have at it, I say

    Local businesses get to make more profit and the government gets more tax from consumption duty

    Whether there's football on or not really shouldn't be a factor the government cares about at all IMO

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    That's not the mayor of Toronto, that's the premier of the province of Ontario. His younger brother was the crackhead mayor of Toronto.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If he's not Mayor of Toronto why is he banning speed cameras and tellings bars when to open?

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Bars here in Japan are often open until first train in the big cities (~5am) with some going later. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that in itself (especially for late shift folks who want to enjoy the same after-work experiences as day shift folks).

    That said, fuck this guy for many other reasons.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    This guy really only cares about alcohol. Billions of dollars of provincial money spend on liquor contracts that would have expired in a year or two.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You saying this guy is obsessed?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That was a hilarious press conference.

    Took so long to empty that bottle lol

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Wait. Whats wrong with this? As someone in a city with 24 hours bars and clubs, I’m not understanding the problem. What exactly is the gripe?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm just making fun of the fact that all the games are in North America.

    He extended bar hours so everyone can enjoy the games at 4am but there won't be any games at 4am in Toronto

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    He's the Premiere of Ontario not the Mayor of Toronto.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    STOP TRYING TO OUTSHINE US, T.O.

    • a Montrealer, where bars were open until 3AM for the longest time
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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    When his crackhead brother died the monkey's paw curled and now we're stuck with this 250 pound mosquito

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    [self deleted for unintentional racism] genuine sorry about that

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    If Pierre Poilievre is "trump lite" then Doug Ford is "trump heavy".

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    The same idiot Mayor who banned speed cameras and watched speeding increase by 235%?

    Who could have predicted that?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    We had the same thing happen in Kansas City.

    Missouri State Government passed a bill which would allow bars in Kansas City, MO to stay open 23 hours a day.

    But Mayor Lucas passed a city ordinance which “vetoes” the state law, prohibiting bars within the city from opening for 23 hours.

    There was a bar, Blueline Hockey Bar, who went to social media blasting the mayor.

    Finally, the mayor walked back his steps and passed a motion allowing bars to stay open for 23 hours.

    This ordinance only allows Kansas City bars to stay open 23 hours a day throughout the World Cup games.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Truly what the people of Canada needed right now...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Top 3 dumbest person on the planet honestly

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    They don't need to, it's not a law, it's an extension. Also, some cities like Toronto need specific licence (or something like that) to stay late open(not for world Cup)

    And I don't get your problem, it's a one time thing.
    Also when you really learn, who Toronto Mayor is, we can finally chat. Plonkers.

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