The continued flood of AI reports has basically made the security list almost entirely unmanageable, with enormous duplication due to different people finding the same things with the same tools. People spend all their time just forwarding things to the right people or saying “that was already fixed a week/month ago” and pointing to the public discussion.

Which is all entirely pointless churn, and we’re making it clear that AI detected bugs are pretty much by definition not secret, and treating them on some private list is a waste of time for everybody involved - and only makes that duplication worse because the reporters can’t even see each other’s reports.

AI tools are great, but only if they actually help, rather than cause unnecessary pain and pointless make-believe work. Feel free to use them, but use them in a way that is productive and makes for a better experience.

The documentation may be a bit less blunt than I am, but that’s the core gist of it. So just to make it really clear: if you found a bug using AI tools, the chances are somebody else found it too. If you actually want to add value, read the documentation, create a patch too, and add some real value on top of what the AI did. Don’t be the drive-by “send a random report with no real understanding” kind of person. Ok?

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[–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This sounds like literally an issue AI should excel at.

"Before submitting a bug report, analyse the past 3-4 weeks of the security list to see if the same issue was reported"

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    [–] 83 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Linus really did work on himself huh. Imagine early 2000s Torvalds responding to this.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    What a shit show

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I can't believe Linus is saying AI is "great" man. I mean even I know it has a few usages for very disposable things, but saying it's great... That's sad. It's very well known the dozens of issues that lies behind LLM use.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I know you were just being glib, but I feel compelled to point out that given its context, it was only used as one might say "AI is all well and good, but...", like just using it to get to the real point, which is that in-and-of itself, without a person acting upon the AI's results, it is actually not great at all. Like any tool, it has to be used to help you accomplish something and not just set about to do your entire job for you. So he was actually saying the opposite.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    AI is useful; it just doesn't replace people.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Sir, this is social media nuance has no place here.

    A thing is either all bad and anybody who says anything about it is probably a nazi or it is good and nothing you say in support of it can ever be wrong no matter how irrational or toxic those beliefs.

    AI is bad and so it can't be useful because only one thing can be true at once. No you can't change my mind, yes I did my own research.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    This is an extremely naive view of what the word “fail” means and of what such a “competition” would look like. Are you suggesting we just deploy increasingly critical systems onto this hypothetical fork until it predictably fails in an unpredictable way? Sorta like Calvin’s dad would rate bridges?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    @yogthos@lemmy.ml, Linus agrees with you that what you did with the Feds is totally okay. lol

    Which is all entirely pointless churn, and we’re making it clear that AI detected bugs are pretty much by definition not secret, and treating them on some private list is a waste of time for everybody involved - and only makes that duplication worse because the reporters can’t even see each other’s reports.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    This was to be expected i guess

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Told you so...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I for one welcome our new public security mailing list!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Perhaps managing large – even huge – projects via mailing lists is not the best idea.

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    [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Am I understanding Lemmy's federation correctly when I think that this looks like a duplicate post? I'm still new-ish to Lemmy's functionality: https://programming.dev/post/50571805?scrollToComments=true

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