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[–] 1 point 5 months ago

Are there docs / an overview of what it does and how?

I remember Google marks their generated videos in some way. Is this based on similar or same published papers and approaches?

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I understand tge appeal, and benefits, of prototyoing in python but it is not an appropriate medium/format for the distribution of something this important.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think that on the contrary, accessibility matters quite a lot here, and python is definitely more approachable and versatile here than a lot of other languages.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Which are great things for prototyping but, for distributing things, virtual environments (or unversioned/tagged dependencies) and 3rd party package managers are a finnicky and brittle hurdles that make the end user's lives worse. What's more is that, without a legitimate type system, long term maintenance becomes a recurring pita. Exceptions are also problematic in that they blow up stacks of dependent computation rarely shrink over time without extensive rewriting. It's also still a relatively slow language, which should be disqualifying for a performance sensitive project like this.

    Doesn't even need to be as tough as rust; There're languages that're as easy to write. Go, for one, supports iterative workflows (there're some community repls which, sadly, are usually versions behind but the compiler is very fast) and garbage collection and makes distribution/acquisition trivial. There're versions of it that are more script-oriented and even have generator expressions and other declarative syntax features.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Is that why AWS' cli has parts written in and distributed with python? Your feelings in this matter, are irrelevant.

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    [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wouldn't this suffer from the same 'analog hole' as DRM? i.e. just take a photo of whatever image you want to be verified?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago

    You'd need a pretty high resolution source image plotted for that to work well, modern digital cameras have 20+ megapixels, and if you take a picture of a low resolution image it'll be very obvious. I'm sure it's possible, but definitely not that easy to do.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago

    This concept describes a hardware anchored proof system for proving the originality of and the precise sensor origin of photographic media. The camera hardware would use a combination of secure enclaves and asymmetric cryptography like RSA to digitally sign images at the moment of capture making it possible to verify the physical origin of the file. The camera manufacturer could operate a Certificate Authority where users can validate the embedded signature against the registered public key of the specific device. This architecture would allow verifying that an image is an actual sensor derived photograph.

    The neat part here is that the algorithm survives retouching of the photo, so you can still do typical things like cleaning up contrast, color balance, etc., without destroying the authenticity of the image. Given how good generated images are getting, it seems to me that deepfake detection approach is dead in the water, and something like this would establish a proactive foundation for cryptographic provenance of real photographs.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    How can a camera have access to the signing key and prevent an attacker gaining access to that key?

    Also, this would give camera companies (and any entity with leverage over the camera company, including their government) the power to decide what images are 'true' in the public's eye. Companies that control the keys would need to be good at securing the keys.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    In a similar way to the way DRM works in stuff like consoles today. And I'm not sure I follow the second problem here. Anybody could create this type of system going forward. But you have to produce hardware to take a picture in the first place, so obviously hardware manufacturers would be the ones to apply this process. The key simply links a photo back to a manufacturer. It doesn't give companies monopoly on anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    DRM has this same problem that I was referring to. Because Blu-ray players need to have a secret key to decode movies, attackers have been able to extract the keys. Same with DRM streaming 4K from video streaming sites like Netflix to phones. Attackers have rooted phones and extracted keys so that there is now software to download from Netflix in full 4K. I don't know of a DRM that hasn't been cracked.

    What I meant with my second paragraph is that a government could secretly compel a respected camera company to hand over the keys. Then that government could deep fake photos to provide justification for actions and the photos would appear genuine due to the keys signing them.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago

    Sure, that's possible of course, but that doesn't really change the status quo. The government has always had far more ability to create fake content than individuals. However, this type of system would allow individuals to prove veracity of their content, which is where the real value comes in my opinion. If you have a professional photographer then they can prove that their camera took a particular picture. If you trust that photographer then you can know that a picture came from that individual. I think that's going to be the dynamic going forward. People will decide on what sources they trust, and the technology will provide a way to tell what the source for the media is.

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