alt textAn edit of xkcd 2501, "Average Familiarity":
[Ponytail and Cueball are talking. Ponytail has her hand raised, palm up, towards Cueball.]
Ponytail: Open-source alternatives are second nature to us foss nerds, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows Linux and one or two degoogled Android ROMs.
Cueball: And Firefox, of course.
Ponytail: Of course.

[Caption below the panel]
Even when they're trying to compensate for it, experts in anything wildly overestimate the average person's familiarity with their field.

partly inspired by the replies to this post but i see this kind of thing all the time (shoutout to the person who once genuinely asked "who still uses google these days?")

made with this neat tool

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[–] 196 points 6 months ago (11 children)

I remember being on Reddit some time ago, and in the comments somebody mentioned Linux. The next comment was "What's Linux?"

I try to keep that post in mind whenever I think anything is common knowledge.

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  • [–] 88 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The next comment was β€œWhat’s Linux?”

    In fairness, there's a 70% chance this comment was posted by a bot that was, itself, being hosted on a Linux server.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm of two minds on this.

    In some respects people are learning new things everyday and your take is correct.

    On the other hand it's so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    On the third hand if people didn't constantly ask this, those search results would not exist, especially for more obscure queries.

    Reddit became the #1 source for search engines for a reason

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    it's so incredibly easy to highlight some text and click search that it it shows a profound lack of curiosity and a lot of laziness.

    100%. People will 'Google' celebrities, memes, "Why is my poop green?", but also just be like "Somebody hand me an answer." When they risk learning something.

    "The Internet is like having access to the Library of Alexandria, and everyone wants to just gossip about each other in the lobby."

    --I think I read this on bash.org at some point

    Don't quote me on that tho.

    --Me.

    BUT ALSO like the others said...if somebody's legitimately curious, let's be nice about it because somebody new learning about our thing is a net positive.

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  • [–] 90 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If any techy Americans want to see how bad it is, ask random people throughout your day what operating system their computer runs, and discover how many don't know what am operation system is.

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I know this change probably happened gradually over the course of time, but it’s truly shocking to me how many people my age can’t do shit on a computer.

    I’m in my mid 40s.

    Like, this was understandable when I was a kid doing computer stuff and wowing all the adults - the PC was brand new. But people who are my age NOW grew up with this stuff all around them! Like, you didn’t know how to CLICK? You were born in 1983 what the fuck, Carol!

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  • [–] 54 points 6 months ago*

    YEP.

    I used to work in a library computer lab. It was soul sucking, how many people older than millennials couldn't friggin handle a basic computer. I heard the words "I clicked the 'E' for 'internet'." multiple times A DAY. (Thanks, 1990's Microsoft and No Child Left Behind.)

    "CaNt I jUsT uSe My PhOnE?" (Which would be a million more steps on my part...thanks, 2006 apple, and defunding schools.)

    The biggest ragebait for me was "I dOn'T kNoW cOmPuTeRs, I'm oLd ScHoOL."

    I'm like "PCs have been increasingly commonplace since the mid-1980's. It's currently the 2020's. You're like 56. HOW 'OLD' IS YOUR SCHOOL?! Because somehow you drove a car here!"

    I imagine a certain weird kind of "privilege", to have been able to somehow dodge computers and learning this entire time, when they were so often found in homes, schools, and workplaces.

    Like it takes significant effort to somehow avoid even an accidental education. HOW?!

    It's...infuriating. These rubes can gleefully scroll tiktok and dump all their personal lives into Facebook, but freak out about sending an email.

    Many of them were even around to try the Internet during Eternal September and AOL, and now they've exchanged the squishy fat in their skulls for convenient slop.

    I'd bend over backwards to patiently teach, but few cared to learn.

    Their collective, willful ignorance is why we're fighting a constant uphill battle against attempts to turn the entirety of computing into nothing but a commercialized authoritarian hellscape.

    I left that job because if I heard one more "Kids are born so smart with these computers because my (grand)kids can watch their cocomelons all by themselves." I would've snapped and been booked for assault.

    Lol /rant

    ...clearly this is a button for me...I have sought help in the past...

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That’s weird because mid 40s (to mid 50s) should be the ideal age to know this stuff right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly! Like, how? People who have worked office jobs their whole lives…I just don’t get it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Not so much office jobs, but that the late 70s to the mid 90s was when you had to figure all this computer shit out on your own, in order to play games and connect to the internet and whatever other shit. Before that people just weren’t exposed as much, there wasn’t even really a commercial market. And after that, everything was made simple, pre-installed, easy user interfaces, more technical details were hidden to make it easier for the consumer to consume content without needing to be technical. That’s why around that age group I would expect to be the most tech savvy.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago*

    Learnt helplessness has become a real thing around the world.

    I know a lot of people who could normally wrap their head around basic computing and troubleshooting in the 2000s, who now go into a near panic attack if the apps on their iPhone suddenly look different...

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  • [–] 74 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    I said "web browser" when talking to a mac user. They had noo idea what I was talking about till I said safari xd.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    Branded language makes us only see one choice, its very anti competitive.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    Yeah, like 'google it' instead of 'look it up'

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I've heard people referring to the internal search function of a program as "google".

    One time someone wanted to use "find and replace" in VsCode and he just said "I google the word and replace it".

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    This is much more fun when using duckduckgo. "I duck the word and replace it" "I'll just duck the answer"

    Edit: I can't type

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I started replacing "to google sth." with " to search sth." since I use several search engines besides google and for some of them using the brand name is just ridiculous.

    "Let me DuckDuckGo that real quick!" quack

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, that's a funny one. Google didn't want you to use that either, as they almost lost right to their own name copyright (or they did? Can't remember) due to it becoming common word xD

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Googol is a hitten for great quantities, it worked great as a word, and it would be great if Google lost it as a trademark. However we have the force to seed a new word that has a similar image.

    If the internet was an ocean of content, then we could say "let's ocean it". Ocean as a verb makes as much sense as the verb google.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (23 children)

    The other day my wife was talking about her new job and having to take notes. For the past 30 years I've been keeping notes in text, then markdown in vim, starting with personal scripts, then vimwiki. A coworker showed me Obsidian, which while not FLOSS, does use an open standard for all its files. It pretty much does what my setup does.

    Then it dawned on me that my wife and other non-techies just use whatever their computer has on it by default (i.e. OneNote). She never thought to go out and look for better productivity software. The idea that there is tons of better apps out there doesn't register. She has a phone, knows about the app store and gets tons of stuff there but as for her desktop or laptop the idea of apps outside of MS Office and the video games she plays is lost on her.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    They just want to get the job done. The fact that they considered a note-taking app at all isn't universally normal. To this day my wife sends me messages in signal as a post-it to remember things, she could have just sent it to herself, but she used to do the same in sms and just applied that forward after I convinced her security was a good step.

    We want the best, the nicest, the most useful thing. We apply the same rigor most non-technies use when choosing a car.

    They want to fill a need that, at worst, bothers them a little.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    My wife did the same on signal. When I showed her the "Note to self" feature she was amazed an. started using it. She use to get annoyed that we would text and her note would get lost but now it doesn't.

    It isn't about finding the best, it is about finding better than the worst. My wife needs the features Obsidian has, she says she wished her notes would visually link together. What she doesn't know is that such apps exist.

    She wishes she could sync files between her phone and computer and not have to go to a website to get them. syncthing does that.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    syncthing + obsidian is a rockstar.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    All my work computers are provided by the companies I work for and per their rules I can only take and store notes using their approved software and on their servers which basically means I work on a locked down Microsoft ecosystem. Access to third party productivity software is simply not possible outside of certain role specific specialist software.

    I would guess literally millions of employees have a similar setup so it's not that we are tech illiterate per say, but more accurately in the corporate world this option doesn't exist so there is no point trying.

    Outside work my productivity tools consist of a Moleskine notebook with tasteful check paper.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I have worked at places like that. The issue is real. But I have also asked for apps to be audited to get on the approved list. Again not always possible.

    But I still think the general issue stands. There are a lot of people unaware of software. I even know developers who have never learned their tools and built muscle memory but instead just used whatever came with their computer because they aren't out there looking.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I feel obligated to mention Logseq here. It's similar to obsidian, but FLOSS (AGPL-v3).

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I've tried it before and I like the concept but in my head I struggle using something not directly how it was intended. I want content rich notes, not just bullets. Yes logseq has support but it just feels wrong for some reason.

    If it was around two jobs ago when I was just copying lots of meetings I would have been all over it.

    Also I never was able to get Logseq and syncthing to work. I doesn't seem to let files be modified in the background and would lock up.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm loving Logseq. It's the open source software I support monthly. It (plus what I learned from "Building a Second Brain" by Tiago Forte) changed my life. Having a low-barrier (daily journal everything) place to dump everything (easily discoverable later with back-linking tags) helps me manage my ADHD.

    I highly recommend it. Once you wrap your head around the idea that the daily journal is where you dump just about everything, it's pretty smooth sailing. (The daily journal automatically dates everything, then the pages themselves automatically pull a reverse chronological feed of every time you wrote about the thing, and queries allow for more targeted, dynamic searching, like all tasks due in the next week, or all tasks for the project, etc.)

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    an open standard for all it’s files

    All that and you still can't use the right "its".

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The discussion is not improved by your contribution.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yet you huge nerds tizz out over the most boring and trite software trivia that's obsolete within hours, but won't learn basic grammar that will serve you your entire life?

    I'd like to think that improves things by a tiny amount.

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I imagine the average non-tech person does not even know what "open source" means, let alone able to name anything that is open source.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Even the average tech person doesn't know what it means.
    The term was coined by Christine Peterson of the Free software movement, and is defined to specify software that is free and open source (FOSS).
    This was after problems with the term "free software" because it was a bad term, that was hijacked to also include software free of cost but closed and proprietary, so far from open source. And free was not generally understood as free as in libre.
    After the Free software movement coined the term. The Free Software Foundation also adopted it, and to distinguish they called it FLOSS, for "Free as in Libre and Open Source Software", where the libre means that the code is protected from being "jailed" because it has a so called strong copyleft license, like for instance GPL. So MIT, BSD and public domain are not FLOSS but they are FOSS.

    https://opensource.com/article/18/2/coining-term-open-source-software

    /Nothing in this life is simple.

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