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[–] 86 points 6 months ago (7 children)

There's a sweet spot in the corporate ladder. People at the bottom get the daily grunt work stuff that's time consuming and repetitive. People at the top end up with competing responsibilities so they spending most of their time in meetings about other meetings and arguing about planning to make decisions. It's right in the middle where you blend into the background and can spend half your work day in your underwear playing video games. And that's exactly where I like to live

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Until you get too many middle managers vying to climb the corporate ladder. Then it's all meetings about the meeting in six months, that you'll need 3x daily meetings to prepare for. After the big meeting you have to do follow-up meetings for the next 6 months until they come up with an idea for another big meeting. All while creating and sending reports about the meetings to other managers and the c-suite. Which then triggers yet more meetings.

    Oh and you must have weekly meetings with your subordinates to update them on results of the other meetings. Those meetings can't be at the same time as the safety meetings (you are doing those weekly right) or the corporate wide meetings that are called at least monthly.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago
    [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Easy

    Quit and become destitute and homeless

    Because apparently these days those are the only two options available

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    according to Peter's principle you don't get to get back down, you fall down

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    It’s hard to feel bad for anyone stuck in a position of relative success. For many of us, there’s simply no way to relate to such an issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's just financial success for the most part though, and it's not like "I've built generational wealth" financial success, just I can afford to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably financial success. The amount of asshattery that one has to put up with to get to that point though tends to pile a ton of stress and extra work and general malcontent onto most people.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    I would be so glad to be able to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably. :( I don't doubt it's extra stress and extra work being higher up the "ladder", but it's hard to imagine it's more stressful than living paycheck-to-paycheck and having to make decisions about whether it's more urgent to pay for food or medication this week. One group worries about work decisions 8 hours a day (maybe more, if salaried or on call), the other worries about basic survival 24 hours a day.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Golden parachute

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    You gotta apply to another company now. There's no way back down in the same company that won't piss people off.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago
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    You demote yourself back to an IC. And they'll let you do it. And most likely they'll let you keep your salary and just make up some god-tier IC role for you to fall into.

    Don't let your job dictate how you can best do your job. You know your own capabilities best. If you're better in an IC role, demote yourself and do the thing that gives you purpose.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I tried climbing the ladder, every time I got a weight put on me that was responsibilities along with the low pay weight. I couldn't climb at best, back slid more often. Fuck that ladder.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (45 children)

    Sure, if you're privileged enough to have a remote job and you're comfortable with getting a cheaper lifestyle through what essentially amounts to neocolonialism. But what about everyone else?

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (44 children)

    I know people from every country I've been to who are full-time travelers, including those you apparently consider "underprivileged", an epithet they would be offended by.

    If an identical car costs $2,000 at one dealership and $20,000 at another, I'll buy the $2,000 one. You pay whatever you want.

    Check your assumptions.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm underprivileged, and I'm not offended by the truth. You need to check your assumptions.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The sincerest form of flattery.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, so you're just a troll? I looked at you "community" And it's just you and you deleting things you don't agree with. That's not a community. Maybe you were trying to start a blog and got lost?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (39 children)

    Anybody who would be offended by being referred to as underprivileged needs to be slapped in the face. It’s like being offended because somebody said you were running late. You either are running late or you aren’t, getting offended because somebody doesn’t understand your situation is just dumb.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (38 children)

    You want to slap underprivileged people you're insulting for understanding the world differently than you.

    Executing your self-righteous violence without repercussion from your position of...what's the word...

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (37 children)

    I literally just said it’s not an insult. Don’t reply if you’re not going to read my comment.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (36 children)

    Slapping those you've insulted will not convince them you were right.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (35 children)

    Stop letting other people‘s opinions live rent free in your head. That was my point. If you get insulted because of somebody else’s opinion that’s your problem not their problem.

    Worse though, saying that underprivileged is an insult is an insult to everybody who is underprivileged.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (34 children)

    You're advocating abuse and blaming your victims for being insulted by your insults.

    They're different than you; their differences don't warrant your abuse.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (33 children)

    No, I’m talking about the same people you’re talking about. I don’t have any victims. You are the one who has friends who would be “offended by that epithet”. And since you aren’t taking this conversation seriously I will bid you good day.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (32 children)

    We are talking about the same people.

    I support their lifestyle and worldview; you are insulting and threatening them with violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (31 children)

    I just said we were talking about the same people. You seriously aren’t even reading my comments or even trying to talk about the same thing that I’m talking about. Goodbye.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (30 children)

    I'm reading your comments and responding directly to your stated viewpoints.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (29 children)

    You aren’t even trying to respond, nor are you reading that I said this conversation is over. For real go away, unless you are willing to discuss how insulting it is to underprivileged people to be insulted by the word underprivileged.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (28 children)

    I'm reading your comments and directly responding to your stated viewpoints using your language.

    Your own language and viewpoints upsetting you may be worth examination.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (27 children)

    You haven’t even used the words that I’ve used. Seriously go away or I’m going to block you.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    I am directly responding to your own stated viewpoints using your own language.

    Your own language upsets you. Worth examination.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    Are you a bot or a troll? Either way stop responding to me.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    I'm a traveler.

    You might want to stop reaching out to folks you don't want a response from.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (23 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    Why are you still asking me questions and talking to me?

    Where do you think a Lemmy user you are interacting with on Lemmy will go?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (21 children)

    You understand that that’s a two-way street right? You don’t get to keep responding and then ask why other people are still responding.

    But here’s the bottom line; your original comment currently has more down votes than up votes, you can either admit that saying that underprivileged is an insult is an insult to the underprivileged or you can keep being a dumbass but those are your only two options.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    You're messaging me specifically and asking me questions. I'm answering your messages.

    If you don't want answers, see what happens when you stop messaging me.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    It’s so interesting to me how you keep choosing the dumbass option.

    Now you’re just reaching, this is a public forum nobody is messaging anybody. You decided to act like a dumbass in a public forum and now you can’t handle being called out for it.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (18 children)

    Yes, you are repeatedly messaging me and asking questions on a public forum known as Lemmy.

    I am answering your messages.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (17 children)

    These aren’t messages, they’re posts. You still aren’t responding to what I said. So you’re not answering anything.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

    You reach out to someone, they answer you.

    Cause. Effect.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (15 children)

    Where? I don’t see a response.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (13 children)

    If it’s alright then stop posting. But now you’re also just changing your comments after I respond to them so you’re not even trying to post here in good faith what is even the point of continuing to post then?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    You keep asking questions, i like answering questions.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Then answer them. I just reread this whole thread you have not once actually addressed my point. Address it or stop responding.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Stop calling for a response if you don't want a response.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I do want a response. You are not responding you are being intentionally obtuse.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    You don't like the responses you receive, but you insist on reaching out.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I don’t like it when people waste other people’s time intentionally because they’re butthurt over their comment not being received the way they wanted it to. If you would like to actually respond then by all means do so but please stop calling your obtuse bullshit a response.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If you do not like these responses, you can stop asking for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I never asked for you to be obtuse.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You go find whoever accused you of that and let them know!

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Now you’re not even making any sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry, can't relate. Not even sure what her problem is. "Boo-hoo I earn too much money & don't know how to stop!"

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You could take the corporate parachute over there or the corporate zip line over here!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    Start your own business, and get out. It's hard work, but you'll never be sorry to not have to suffer supervisory fools and toxic co-workers any longer.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yep. I just took a leap. Worked out fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Quit, sell all your shit, and move to another country, start back over.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    I did this. Was a manager of a NOC. Been a sysadmin. Had good corporate jobs. Decided to jump off and start my own company. Now I'm sitting here in shorts and t shirt getting ready to head out of state to do a job for a couple hours before being back home for dinner. A nice way to spend the day, and being paid better then ever.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    You dont, you just stand on top, pissing on everyone below you, because you hate yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Suggest something that would make things better long term, but hurt next quarters numbers. You'll be back on the bottom of that ladder inside a week.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Oh, aren't you supposed to pull it up instead?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Start killing people for fun and use drugs in office

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    That's not really a worry. Once you get old enough and assuming you don't reach the very top before they can axe you, odds are very good your bosses will simply let you go.

    Another option: Get demoted. Move DOWN the ladder.

    In my part of the world, I'm hearing about a lot of people getting what are essentially demotions, even though the terminology being used is typically a lot more rosy than that.

    As these companies are doing massive layoffs, they're also restructuring to flatten the organizational charts. Basically direct managers/supervisors are being moved into IC roles (individual contributors aka non-managerial worker bees), directors are having to take on direct management of IC while also sometimes also having to take on a certain percent of the IC work, and so on up the chain.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago*

    A noose. Or C4 if you’re feeling adventurous.

    You’re almost there, don’t quit now

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