PS. This is not a critique to Debian-based distros. And i'm not suggesting you to skip Ubintu for Arch either. Arch is a bit advanced and not too easy to new users, so that won't do for some people...

... just install Linux Mint instead.

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[–] 98 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

As an Arch user I hate these memes. Guys, the only difference between distros is effectively the versions of packages you're getting, and what the default packages and configs are. In Ubuntu you are completely free to have a very minimal i3 setup (I did for several years!) while in Arch you can use some bloated Gnome UI. This "Arch is fast and Ubuntu is slow" really isn't true if you compare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome, or Arch-i3 vs Ubuntu-i3.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    really isn’t true if you conpare Arch-Gnome vs Ubuntu-Gnome,

    So what I'm hearing is "Fuck Gnome"?

    This shitpost was bought to you by the KDE/XFCE gang collab

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Is Gnome even bloated? I've settled on it because it mostly just works and stays out of my way.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have to use Ubuntu (22.04 specifically) because I'm stuck with a 15yo laptop that can't handle much at all so I game via Shadow which only supports that Ubuntu version... it sucks and it's dumb but it's the best option. It's a constant fight against making it not auto update and run things automatically. If I have Shadow running and anything else becomes active the laptop goes into full jet engine mode and I have to pause the game or whatever I'm doing on the Shadow client, and often close it completely, or else it all crawls to a complete stop. It seems no matter what I do it refuses to stop qutomatically checking for updates whenever it feels like it via the several apps used to do so (software updater, snap store etc.). It does this a few times a day, it's so fucking annoying but nothing I've tried fully works. I dream of getting to use Linux Mint, Arch and a few other distros, but so far it doesn't seem like Shadow will expand their Linux support.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The only substance I can see to it is when do you draw the line from a modified Debian (or Ubuntu) setup to a "new" distro?

    If you start with an Ubuntu image its technically possible to ship of Theseus it right into an Arch image, but you could argue the default config of both is best representative of the actual distro maintainers goal (even if irrelevant to power users).

    (Saying this all as a NixOS user with a system that hardly even looks like Linux sometimes so maybe I'm a bit biased on how blurry all the lines are lmao)

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    [–] 37 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Mint user: I don't care how much RAM my system uses as long as it works.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I dunno. There are some of us who run Mint not because we don't know what we're doing but because we do* and we don't want to have to deal with any more nonsense than we absolutely have to.

    From that small cohort, there are those of us who'll frown when all we have open is a few browser tabs and the system's using 8GB of RAM, twice the "recommended" spec. On startup with nothing running it's over 1GB.

    It's hard not to see it as wasteful when you're old enough to remember perfectly good machines running on single-digit megabytes. **

    * Or at least, think we do.

    ** Yes, things are much more complex these days. But are they really a thousand times more complex?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Consider trying void. If you can live without system d, it's quite comfy though still low on ram usage. Also, the package repos ship closer-to-latest software. Mostly you'll get all the way there on release day with just a few relatively niche things here or there that you'll have to wait a bit for; ime, go's compiler is a common example; after a very annoying, though admittedly forgotten by me, bug was introduced a couple of years ago we usually only get new versions after the first bug fix has come out. Another is skim, the fzf alternative but that's technically not seen a new version since the auto-selecting-empty-lines bug was fixed.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    I want to switch to void so bad. It's just that my machine is a laptop that I carry around with me all the time. I don't feel safe doing that without encrypting it, and all I've gotten out of attempting to manually configure LUKS is hours of wasted time.

    edit: typos. Stupid phone keyboard.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    "Hey look, my old af computer works again. Sweet"

    That's about how I see it. I've used other distros for niche projects (like un-bricking my OG Xbox with a 20 year old desktop, cause I fucked up the mod). But I use Mint for my daily computer, cause I'm not much of a software tinkerer... and my wife can use it without issues as well. Fuck, I do love Linux for all the hardware it's helped me save, regardless of distro

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I know this is just a meme but has Ubuntu fallen that bad?

    Ubuntu did welcomed me to the Linux fam 16 years ago or so, so I am grateful but I have not used it for at least 12 years by now

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Been using it at work for LAMP stack dev for like 3 years and it never gave me issues.

    The only trouble I have with it, is that my company bought an arrow lake lenovo thinkbook and all the firmware is proprietary or too new... My camera doesn't work well, I get crashrs, graphics glitches... But that is on Lenovo and my company not on Ubuntu afaik.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I was going to stack 4 to 6 Arch VMs inside each other.

    Now I'm wondering if I can go further...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Tell me how deep the rabbit hole can go.

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    [–] 27 points 6 months ago (27 children)

    The typical path: Mint -> Arch -> Fedora.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    3 years later and I'm still on Mint.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Same. No reason to switch as I have no desire to tinker

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Ibwish more linux people had this mentality of "if its not broke don't fix it". After years of floating around different distros, I just want something that works, is stable, and the OOTB is easy and works. So I've just gone back to mint debian edition. Idc, I don't have time to be tinkering with my computer

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The biggest switch I did was from mint to LMDE mint.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I've been really curious to try LMDE, but I've got everything working exactly like I want it to in regular Mint and don't want to screw it up.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Why go past Arch? What's the use case/flavor?

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    As someone who uses arch, its just stability. Arch is great for a hobby, if you want to do work, use fedora. Its so much simpler. That being said, I love arch because of the tinkering, and that lack of tinkering is why I switched off fedora.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I "do work" just fine on Arch but maybe I've just gotten used to the quirks and the DIY aspect of it. None of it is an obstacle to productivity anymore.

    I do realize I'm not the average person and am some kind of freak that likes to take working stuff apart and put it back together for funsies.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Some people just need an OS that works and don't have time to waste on tinkering and fixing it every so often

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    That's what I'm trying to say though, I'm at the point to where it's not a waste of time for me because I know immediately what to do if something goes wrong or I need to make some sort of config change or install/remove software. I'm no longer "tinkering" with it, I'm using it. It's just as fast for me as it is for someone on a more "user friendly" OS.

    In other words, I have scaled most of the learning curve cliff.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm always surprised by that kind of statements. I had more to tinker with Fedora than Arch, by a huge margin.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    Fedora is an odd choice if you're looking for stability. It's a rolling distro. Some rolling distros are fairly stable but fedora updates constantly broke my shit.

    Debian or opensuse leap are where it's at for pure stability. Or any other LTS distro, really

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    When you want to do work on the OS instead of working on the OS. Arch was a fun learning experience but eventually an nvidia driver or something shit the bed on me and I never went back. Outsource the unit testing to others. Fedora still has very new packages and you can still roll from release to release. Even better if you're using one of the Fedora Atomic flavors.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I was waiting for Syncthing 2 for like half a year. It’s yesterday when I’ve got it. All my other Arch machines have it for a very long time.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I started on Mint, distro hopped for a bit, currently running CachyOS on my gaming laptop and Debian on my other laptop. I haven’t tried Fedora though. I did do Bazzite for a bit but it didn’t click. Maybe one day I’ll give regular Fedora a go.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Tiny core Linux: i can run on 64 MB of ram. (with GUI)

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Arch is love. Arch is life.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Arch is like your psychotic ex. Sex is great, but one day, you wake up because she's burning the sheets of your bed while you're still inside.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I've had Arch on a laptop for like 4 years now, its also my main gaming rig. The only issue I ever had was my own fault, I didnt put enough memory on the system partition (and just partitioning a terminal use-case device at all). I'm really interested in what's happened to others cause I have yet to experience it lol

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Like 7 years with desktop Arch and some more with server Arch, I’m with you. RAID-0 broke once, so I needed to assemble it manually, then update, then everything worked back again. Apart from that, cannot remember a thing.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    The word critic is a noun, the word critique is the verb.

    You would have critiques of Debian, not critic.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    You literally just used "critique" as a noun.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    A critic critiques and can have a critique. A critic can't critics nor can have a critic. A critic can criticize and can have a criticism.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Arch is nice, I noticed slightly higher fps in a few games after switching. Not sure how much overhead there is on it, but I use AwesomeWM which I launch from the commandline since I don't have it run at startup, and I must say I do like the interface for launching programs, I can either do the commandline name or the name of the program will often be fuzzy find away in the launch bar...

    If only windows had some kind of menu where you could find programs to launch (and not search the web), and not cram adds down your throat.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Are we really talking about 500mb nowadays?

    I remember easily running Debian minimal with 128mb

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Ubuntu bad am I rite guys!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Arch gives me flashbacks to compiling kernels on really old salvaged hardware. Mint is good enough these days

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Ptyxis is slow and big yes. But it is the only modern terminal on GNOME that is maintained lol

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I installed 26.04 the other day and it seems like a pretty decent release, I may keep it around for a bit.

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