cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/63262827

Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

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[–] 31 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I think Israel shouldn’t exist.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Someone downvoted this, so I’m saying it again:

    I think Israel shouldn’t exist.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It isn't a law yet luckily

    I do wonder how this is even being considered. Do Germans not have legally protected free speech?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yes we do, that doesn't prevent conservatives and nazis from saying stuff like that. They're shifting the Overton window.

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  • [+] 8 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago*

    Israel has a right to exist in it's original borders.

    What "original" borders? The borders they established in 1948 by ethnically cleansing Palestinian land? The historical borders of Judea and Samaria? If so which ones? Are we going to rely on the historiagraphy of Israelis who determined those historical borders too? Why should we legitimize an explicitly settler colonial project who has only caused problems for an entire region since its inception? What even gives a state the "right to exist".

    I agree that we need an organized international intervention but we should also seriously investigate the purpose of Israel. Who benefits from its continue existence and why is incredibly important to determining what to do going forward. I am of the opinion that a two state solution only leaves us where we were a few decades ago. It allows the settlers to bide their time.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Words incite violence. Every genocide starts with rethoric. We have t8 curtail speech. Everything else is 18th century naivité.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's a naive take. The right to life, health and a peace for million of people is paramount to some hateful bigots right to free speech.

    Human rights can conflict with eachother. We have to make a choice.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    One of the founding principles in the Declaration of Independence is that no State has the right to exist without the consent of all people 'governed' within that States area of control.

    Any American stating that Israel has a right to exist or demanding that others state that Israel has a right to exist are unAmerican. And being unAmerican in defense of a foreign State.

    Fucking traitorous scum.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    So what?

    The use of the question: Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

    is a propaganda point universally used as a gotcha against critics of Israel.

    Furthermore, while the view that States have no right to exist without the full consent of all of the governed is a (hypocritically held) American view, it is a universal one held by anyone who believes apartheid is wrong.

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