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[–] 127 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Their crocodile tears have been delicious.

Totally on board with outlawing this shit entirely, by the way, but also totally over getting punched in the groin by the people who go low.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It's also a great way of pressuring Republican politicians into actually banning it.

    "You don't like us playing by the rules you wanted? Help us change the rules then!"

    They'll only accept losing the power to gerrymander if it hurts Democrats more than Republicans.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The funny part is where you think Republicans would abide by their own ban, if not outright reverse it, the second they have a chance to reverse power.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    that’s an easy solve though…

    it’s pretty easy to put a number to how gerrymandered a region is: ungerrymandered means that if you were to look at all the votes in the state without districts that’s your ideal ratio… if you then add districts and that ratio is different, it’s perhaps gerrymandered

    so if the goal is to stop gerrymandering, you get a bunch of states to sign some interstate compact that measures gerrymandering across the country and says any state that’s part of the compact will (perhaps in the next election, perhaps based on projections for the current voting maps based on prior voting behaviour) gerrymander to an equal or greater degree to offset or punish gerrymandering overall… ie you can gerrymander your state but at best it’ll mean nothing when it comes to the ratio of votes

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    We'll have to do it more. There's a reason they could only gerrymander 5 more seats into a state the size of Texas, and that's because Texas was and is already gerrymandered to shit.

    They still don't want a ban because even after a few high profile Democrat gerrymanders, Republicans still benefit more.

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  • [+] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Exactly. The ONLY thing that stops a bully is to bully them right back, only worse, so that makes MAGA the only acceptable target for the most vicious bullying conceivable. They deserve, they have EARNED, our worst treatment possible. Shun them, humiliate them, embarrass them, sideline them, make fun of them, call them names, give them mean nicknames, give them the worst assignments, fire them, steal their lunch, waste their time, tell them No, be completely unfair, mean, and relentless. Make them CRY.

    Add Anti-vaxxers to the list. They deserve to be bullied, too.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    We got a saying where I'm from. "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If only someone would make a law that prevents this. Surely conservatives would never oppose a law like that?

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It gets tiring, pretending they care about hypocrisy. They truly don't.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I honestly think they revel in it. They love the fact that they can force rules to apply to you and then feel powerful when they break them when it suits their goals.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    like lil' maple maga Pierre Pollievre up here

    keeps whining about liberals causing high prices and reduced affordability of everything. then literally just yesterday every single conservative voted against a food pricing transparency act. then continues whining about hidden taxes on groceries

    my guy... you just voted against price transparency. shut the fuck up.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Democrats tried to ban gerrymandering for the last decade. Republicans have ALWAYS voted against it.

    They know they lose when they don't cheat and they are upset Democrats are not playing nice anymore.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    They control all 3 branches of the federal government, so I warmly welcome them to pass a law or ruling that makes partisan gerrymandering illegal.

    If fighting fire with fire is what's needed to make them feel like it's a problem, then so be it.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago

    I like how apparently a partisan judge is trying to block this now.

    Texas: Fuck voters, we're doing it without them.

    CA/VA: Let's defer to the voters as we should. Ok, they voted for it.

    Partisan Hack Judge: Wait, no, not like that.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago

    Yokels surrounded by empty land want their 3x voting power back, boo fucking hoo. I'm proud of my state right now. SCV better not shit the bed on this one.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago

    The fact that their evil dickhead grifters are doing overtime to cry and blame the Dems for not taking the gerrymandering laying down is awesome. We're only here because of Trump demanding Texas gerrymander for five seats. You cocksuckers don't get to punch someone in the face then complain when they fight back. I fucking hate right-wingers with all of my being. Horrible traitorous human beings.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    Ok. First. Awesome! More. More. More of this. Democrats actually doing something. I'm happy.

    Now, second, once you do something like this you have to be ready to fight HARDER now. My pessimism and time spent watching the Democratic party gives me an awful taste in my mouth.

    If any, if fucking any Democrat tries to do the "what we need is to not allow blue states or red states to do this. We need reasonable democratic districts" they should be immediately be removed from the party. They are either delusional or just a Republican fascist. The Republicans aren't suddenly going to "be reasonable". Shut the fuck up and get out of politics.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    is there any actual benefit to having it subdivided at all in the first place? it just seems like another thing to fight over and undermine the value of particular voters.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Theoretically you get hyperspecific representatives. Maybe a district in the west would want to vote differently than a district in the east. Theoretically your vote is still just as valuable and you're voting with your geographic peers.

    In reality it just gets optimized for party votes and you end up with this

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    The sort of idea of it is/was to give farmers and people living in rural i.e. less population dense areas a “fair” amount of voting power compared to cities. The idea does make sense to some extent, as city dwellers often make up a majority of the population, and are unlikely to have the farmers best interests in mind, which could be problematic for everyone. But this already shaky line of reasoning has been abused pretty much since its inception by the party in power to swing the vote in their favor by redrawing lines

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Turns out it's actually much easier to gerrymander when you already have a 15+ point majority statewide

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh but it's fine when you do it, Red? Fuck you, go pound eat sand.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I was thinking about this the other day and if you're gonna gerrymander a state, having a state-wide vote about it first makes it a bit more fair.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Also, MAGA is trying to gerrymander states so they don't have ANY Democratic representation, just Red districts, even if they have a Democrat population approaching 50%. They are deliberately denying representation to nearly half their state.

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  • [+] 8 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I agree that it could lead to finally banning gerrymandering entirely, but I don't consider it rigging. It's legal, so it's just a form of Hard Ball, and the Dems wouldn't be doing it if MAGA hadn't done it first.

    It's about time the Dems started fighting fire with fire.

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    I still wouldn't call it rigging, because it IS legal. It's more like influencing in a legal manner.

    Is it fair? No, but it's legal, so it's NOT rigging, by definition. It's the same with the Electoral College. There are ways to manipulate it, and they aren't specifically illegal, so it's not rigging.

    Make gerrymandering and Electoral College illegal, and then manipulating them would be rigging.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    There has been a lot of MAGA discussion about gaming the Electoral College as well, like splitting a state's votes between parties. Its the next frontier after gerrymandering, although the gerrymandering thing hasn't worked out so well for them this time, so maybe they'll reconsider messing with the Electoral College.

    Ah, who am I kidding? These MAGA morons never learn from their mistakes, they just blame somebody else, and keep being stupid.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    It bugs me that there is such a simple solution: just count total votes

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This is for members of Congress. Simply counting total votes would mean 100% of the delegation to the house are from whatever party gets 50%+1 votes.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, the majority of votes would elect the district’s chosen candidate. That’s correct.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    All congressional districts already work like that. Gerrymandering is the practice of re-drawing distirct borders within an area so that your team has more districts with your voters as the majority.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    You're confusing the districts with Presidential election results.

    In the presidential election the district lines actually don't matter in terms of the outcome. They are just usually reported on election night as "by district". This is likely what you are confusing or misremembering.

    But, the state itself is based on a popular vote for the presidential election that determines who wins ALL of the states "electoral college votes". Yes, stupidly confusing i know.

    Meaning after counting all the votes in the entire state the winner is declared based on popular vote and ALL the "electoral votes" of those states will go to that winner.

    Now, this is true for all BUT two states. Main and Nebraska are the exception. Their electoral votes are not "winner take all" for the popular vote. So, if it was one of those states what you are thinking would be correct actually. They split their electoral votes of the state based on the districts.

    What is being discussed about districts in the OPs image is the redrawing of district maps. Each district elects a single representative in The House of Representatives. This is won by popular vote within each district and each district is independently represented. The votes from one district have nothing to do with the votes from another in this case.

    This has always been a means of drawing the lines such that more of a certain party is likely to get more representatives. But, historically, this has primarily been aggressively done in red states. Especially in the south in order to reduce black voter and minority voter representation. Usually by attempting to draw a single district with as many black and minority voters as possible so they only get one representative.

    Hope that clears up the confusion. You're being downvoted but I think you're just confused in a very purposely confusing electoral system.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    This response is fifteen years late - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    whoopsie doodle

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  • While that is nice and all, but ranked choice voting is way better

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Get the fire hose, let's paint the rest of the country blue too!

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (13 children)

    So, when this latest round of gerrymandering kicked off it was stated this was a contest the Democrats would ultimately lose because they control fewer US States.

    In the last few days there's been some triumphalism as two? or three? Democrat run States have redistricted. But based on the assumption that Republican States do the same, this isn't actually good news.

    Am I out of the loop on some developments here?

    Are Democratic run States finding it easier to redistrict than Republican run? Or is there some tangible reason theres an air of triumphalism?

    Or are people not appreciating the wider arms-race-like contest and focusing too much on small wins out of context?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    With the exception of Texas and Florida, all the other Republican controlled states have a lower population. Theoretically, if all 50 states gerrymandered for their majority the Democrats win.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    So each State can send as many reps to the House as they want?

    I'm not sure how a larger population in a State translates into more Federal House seats for that State.

    I assumed the whole number of seats allocated to each State in the House was set. But i've never really had reason to question that assumption.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    The total seats / number of districts is capped and set for each state. It should be uncapped but that is besides the point

    . The redistricting / gerymandering makes use of packing (putting as many X voting areas into a single district to give them less voting power by basically wasting their vote since their candidate wouldve won that distric anyways) and cracking (splitting X voting areas up into multiple districts which will be majority Y voting).

    This means that with even numbers of X and Y voting people, they can be partitioned so that 9/10 districts for example are 55-45 for Y, and the remaining X voting people can be packed into the last district. The end result is Y winning 90% of the districts with only 50% of the overall support.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If every state went full Gerrymander, Republicans have more trifectas by number of states, but Democrats gain more based on population and house seats.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Can't even say that since the last 30 special elections show that the independents are **done ** with the pedo GOP & they are a much larger cohort than either the GOP or Democrats.

    This is the reason why Florida won't actually be redistricted.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Whats a trifecta? Is it House, Senate, Governorship?

    So, the Republicans control more, due to winning more State Senates and Governorships but there are more, in raw number of reps, Democrats elected to the State Houses?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    not quite. they're saying Republicans would control more state Congresses and governorships, but Democrats would get more federal congressional seats.

    but if Republicans control more states, they'd also control more federal Senate seats

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