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[–] 65 points 6 months ago*

Important note that this is just a community ban, not an instance ban. Mm is not an admin.

That said, MM has always been a bit trigger happy. This wouldn't be even noticed if they didn't moderate so many comms, or if the modlog would automatically conflate all comm bans by one mod into a single entry.

Anyway, I do find that jumping to call people zionists or nazis at the drop of a hat is not healthy

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    I don't have much informations about the admin and piefed. Does they generally remove zionist comments and ban zionists users?

    Putting a Palestinian flag means nothing, if Israeli apologist still run free and people rejected Palestinians right to armed resistance

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  • If anyone has any doubts why I ban people, look no further than this. And this is tame compared to some of the abuse I experienced.

    I've had people target me for alcoholism and cancer. There are real pieces of shit on Lemmy, and because of that to protect myself and my communities people will be banned at the first sign of trouble. Do I make mistakes? Sure. Although considering responses to bans like these or worse, I don't make very many.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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    I would prefer people didn't when addressing me casually. I know for some people Ze/Zir is hard to remember, and it doesn't bother me much when I know people are trying and don't have malicious intent. But if someone openly refuses to use Ze/Zir pronouns because they feel like I "don't deserve it" that's different, and it does bother me that they are looking for ways or reasons not to respect my identity. They aren't actually trying.

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    [–] 11 points 6 months ago*

    link the juicy drama! https://lemmy.world/post/45909721

    ctrl+f for rimu if you want

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    But both rimu and Skavau are defending Kaplans actions of defedederating anarchist nexus and mostly likely db0 soon. Hell rimu followed without question.

    Actions always speak louder than words (or in this case pictures)

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago*

    But both rimu and Skavau are defending Kaplans actions of defedederating anarchist nexus and mostly likely db0 soon.

    Of course they did. And Rimu is also a guy who decided that a "social credits score" should be implemented into his software, so not surprising at all.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    At no point did I ever say that defederating anarchist.nexus was right, else piefed.social would have done the same. Defending or trying to understand Kaplan's reaction doesn't automatically make you a zionist.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    https://lemmy.world/comment/23360184

    look of course he did because people like the former admin wouldn't accept anything else

    Seems like agreeing.

    else piefed.social would have done the same.

    But piefed.social did defed based on rimu saying they were doing the same in response to Kaplan saying it had happened?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    AFAIK piefed.social was set to follow l.w defederation automatically and this was synchronized this way. Rimu reversed it immediately when he noticed

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They did not defed A.N they banned Luminous.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Seems like agreeing.

    Not regarding defederation it isn't.

    https://piefed.social/c/anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus

    We are not defederated. Blaze's account here is literally from anarchist.nexus.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh sorry, rimu just did his usual delete from db of an users not a full defedederation.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago*

    Piefed allows admins to delete accounts locally, but that hasn't got anything to do with defederation. I don't think this has specifically happened to any anarchist-nexus member.

    This is just "people can get banned and get banned in a more intense way" on Piefed.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I don't reply here often because when people make posts like this, especially on other people's behalf I usually get harassed and insulted (this one's no different, considering the transphobia in the comments). But I do have to clarify because it's important.

    Rimu has recently been defending the actions of MrKaplan, who has been using his power as a LW admin to promote Zionism, and by defending that they are indirectly apologizing for Zionism. It doesn't matter if they supported Palestine before or if they still do now. They're currently apologizing for and defending a Zionist. Which is why they were banned. They are not the first person banned for that either, a lot of LW accounts have been banned for Zionist apologia and many more will likely follow.

    It would be kind of like if someone who's a trans ally started defending someone who was insulting trans people for getting gender affirming care. It doesn't matter how much they supported trans people in the past or claim to support them now. They are defending and promoting a transphobe.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I gotta say it's extremely telling how that coinciding with this series of events a handful of brand new accounts popped up just to spew transphobia and nazi shit in addition to the ones just being zionist/defending the LW mods across the various threads.

    wonder what's up with that makima-think

    anyway the abuse and harassment you get is gross, fuck those assholes

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    MM and draconic have this sort of "fan club". For some reason, they have pissed off the same kind of chud who keeps making new accounts for this shite.

    Hmm, maybe I should implement a way to only allow trusted instances to comment on some communities. This way it can prevent people abusing instances with lax registration to make these accounts just to post toxic shite. Lemmy 1.0 can't come fast enough so I can finally make plugins

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Rimus comments in question. Seems like hes very concerned about people defending luminous, less so about the admin of the largest instance being a zionist.

    deserved it, 'flags in banner' is pretty tangential and no defense for behavior. mrkaplan is very clearly a zionist and anyone apologizing for him is sus

    I will say I prefer 'death to zionism' because it's the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hitting exactly the root cause here - rimu defending Kaplan, consistently and disturbingly, while going after Luminous.

    I will say I prefer 'death to zionism' because it's the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

    chef's kiss, nothing to add.

    Not a complaint about you @Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus BTW, but I think you'd know that. Just commenting on my agreed preferred phrasing.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Looks like I need to go instance shopping again

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Would avoid anything on piefed

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    eh, theres a fork already.

    anarchist.nexus itself is on piefed, while dbzer0 is on lemmy.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)
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    Because anarchist.nexus uses it and rimu has started getting... Opinionated with some configs.

    Forking is not exactly a big deal, and a good way to hedge against unexpected changes that are catastrophic. What's the worry?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Because it doesn't seem worth forking. From what I looked at it would need to just be rewriten so why fork.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Its currently running anarchist.nexus, so... thats why. Its sensible to have a fork.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It just seems like a ton of work for a small upside

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There really isn't a lot of work, you can pull in the changes but hold your patches.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Guess I was thinking more of improvements with a fork rather than downstream like centos was to rhel

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    [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

    the more I dig into them, I'm not so sure @Rimu@piefed.social is a zionist.

    http://s.faf-pb.xyz/Of1Da

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    I’ve never seen anything to support Rimu being Zionist.

    A lib sure, but many libs are anti-Israel as well after witnessing the horrors now. They just have kneejerk reactions to violence as a political tool of the proletariat classes.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    what does this comment even mean?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Y'all just let us fine users on instances where nothing ever happens know how that all plays out.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    This doesn't even make sense. How is supporting palestine "emulating a zionist". Is this mod just an idiot?

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Rimu went straight to defense of MrKaplan and attacking luminous for being anti-zionist, to the point of Kaplan defederating from anarchist.nexus.

    Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    So what you're saying is that the banning has absolutely nothing to do with anything in Blaze's post and he's just either intentionally or ignorantly misdirecting us.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    BTW, this is what Marxist was referring to (albeit in a way that was so confusing I didnt even follow at first)

    For reference:

    https://anarchist.nexus/post/603903

    Just browse around for rimu.

    Edit: and @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com made a great summary in that thread of Kaplan's behavior.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It makes for very confusing arguments when one person doesn't have important context and the other doesn't know that person doesn't have it.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

    To add clarification to that, there has been a wave of LW accounts promoting Zionism or just brigading my communities. With that has been a wave of bans (you can check the logs) both reactive and proactive. I know some people don't like proactive bans, although, honestly it's unreasonable to expect mods to let shit slide when they see a person they know will cause trouble.

    The fact people harass me here for this doesn't really help the case against proactive bans. And I assume the reactions I'll get from here will further reinforce this.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Did my comment seem like an attack? I was just saying its not how I like to handle things, but your comm you get the choice.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Not at all. I didn't mean to sound defensive. I'm usually on high alert when I comment here since others have attacked me and the general sentiment on Lemmy is hostile against proactive moderation even when it is needed to keep communities afloat. I just wanted to be clear on why I do things because there are people who do expect mods to let things like this slide. It's ultimately up to each mod how they run their communities, and it's also situational. Some communities might not need proactive moderation at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    OK just checking, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across different than intended

    Everyone has a different threshold for a preemptive ban, to me it depends more on interaction. If there isnt any interaction, to me a ban just gets their attention, so I don't bother. If there's some (or interaction outside the community that makes it clear its about to be a problem), thats when I personally take action.

    Again though, everyone can have their own approach. If they dont like it, they can start their own comm - thats what makes the fediverse great.

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  • [+] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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    You're just mad he's against authoritarianism, marxist.

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  • [+] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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    As terroristic and genocidal Israel is, they did not kill as much as the original nazi

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Mr.

    Just wanted to give you a heads up that Mystic Mushroom's pronouns are ze/zir.

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    Imagine giving a shit, lol

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    And .... of course it's dbzer0.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Oh look. The rodents are vermin.

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