cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24351016

At first, Ziz LaSota seemed much like any other philosophically inclined young tech aspirant. Now, she and her followers are in jail, six people are dead, and Rationalists are examining whether their ideas played a role.

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago

Well, all of that was moderately horrible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the nyt really wants you to know that ziz is trans. Surely innocent reasons for that given the nyt's reasonable past positions on trans people right?

    this article sucks, Ziz and zizians are just another classic cult spun out of a movement that is profoundly alienating, abusive, and impervious to criticism. It's not the first time rationalism has gotten people killed (https://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-beigeness-or-how-to-kill-people-with-bad-writing-the-scott-alexander-method is a good break down of the problematic attitudes and how they tie in to a tragic suicide) and it wont be the last.

    Robert Evans did a reasonable deep dive into these people on his podcast behind the bastards if you want some better coverage that explores the cult dynamics more.

    If you just want a crash course: Rationalism is a terrible hyper capitalist, white, male, anti humanities framework of ideas which starts with the premise that you, the reader, are inherently super smart for stumbling into them and wanting to learn how to be more smarter. There are like 5 big personalities who are all the smartest and because they are the smartest, and being the smartest necessarily means you think the most goodliest, and thinking the most goodliest means you can't be wrong, and you should ignore all prior human philosophy and just study them. Absorb so much baffling jargon that the obviousness of the bits that are genuinely good is obscured and the nasty ideas can slide right in without triggering alarm bells. Soon you'll be complete incomprehensible to normal people, and morally revolting to anyone who isn't a rationalist. Don't worry though, they're waiting with open arms to explain why being racist is really important for stopping the machine Satan apocalypse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Oh I should add, there's actually a lemmy instance for highlighting the insane and horrible shit that comes from this group.

    !sneerclub@awful.systems is how I link I think.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    !sneerclub@awful.systems, there seems to be an extra !sneerclub at the start of the link you added.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It looks like some sort of autocomplete in the UI mangled what I wrote. Ah automation, unless it's perfect it's entirely useless (yes I'm mad about my car automatically disengaging blinkers, which has caused infinity more blinker errors than on my motorcycle where it is manual).

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Psychopaths

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What the fuck kind of headline is this? Do they employ editors at checks link THE NEW YORK TIMES?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    I felt both the Wired article and the Behind the Bastards episodes did a better job on the topic of the Zizians than this NYT piece

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Hum. Insane techpeople killing landlords and Border Patrol? Real 'let them fight' moment.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Behind the Bastards has two great episodes about the Zizinians. Title had something to do with Harry Potter.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Sarah Connor. RIP

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