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[–] 70 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Why the F do we care about what US companies wants? Stay the F away from EU soil if decency, ethics and laws doesn’t fit your style.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It said they lobbied for it, which means that the politicians don't care, so they give them something they do care about so that they support it anyway, namely money.

    It's the whole reason 99% of politicians choose that career in the first place. All they have to do is look like they don't support something that the wealthy want them to support, and they'll be given buckets of money to sway their vote.

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    The corruption needs to stop. Eat the rich.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Okay so we’ve all been saying this since when?

    When?

    When does it start?

    Now?

    How about now?

    Now??

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean, gotta start somewhere. I too would like to see more direct action in play but we’re trying to motivate nations here, tens or hundreds of millions of people.

    Take no kings, I get that it’s been toothless, but it built a large following and the next one is calling for action. It probably won’t work, probably won’t be enough, but it will build momentum, and the next gets more, the next more still. This is obviously US focused (I’m American but this shit has gone global).

    It took them a very long time to infiltrate the governments, this has been going on for decades. We won’t be able to solve it in a weekend. It’s going to take time and hard work to fix this shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I mean some people have started see Luigi, warehouse guy, guy who threw moltov at Sam Altmans house, guy shooting at politicians home for voting in favor of an AI datacenter in their town, and I am sure there are more that I am unaware of too.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago

    Literal corruption

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    dont want people to know how badly it is polluting the area around data centers, and the cost of electricity, and fuel.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (18 children)

    I keep reading about lobbying. I don’t fully understand how it works. Are there requirements for disclosure, approval and public transparency, or is this just something individual politicians or groups can do just like that?

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    But why do individual politicians or groups have the power to get these things through? Is it not subjected to a majority vote or something?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    because you need individual votes to make up any majority

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    So the lobbying is, in each particular instance, of potentially 100+ people (in the case of EU parliament 300 or so +), likely across parties? That seems difficult to organize, at first sight.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Lobbyists are people working on behalf of companies whose job is to meet up with politicians to discuss their issues. Typically that involves some back and forth that may or may not be considered bribery.

    You want a law to protect your business? You go talk to lawmakers behind closed doors about how some laws are needed to better protect children and also data centers, and subtly let them know that maybe your company might have a job for them in the future.

    Those lawmakers then go out and propose these laws and they sell the idea to other lawmakers who approve them for the children and datacenters.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So mostly not a consequence specifically of lobbying, if the majority votes due to actual conviction. Rather of disinformation/laziness, which will affect non-lobby initiated proposals too.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Lobbying on its own is not the issue. Nurses' lobbies and teachers' lobbies, for example, work for a good cause.

    The issue is that lobbying is done in private, and citizens don't hear about anything until laws are proposed, by which time they already have momentum and are very hard to fight. And once laws are enacted, it's even harder to reverse them.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Yeah, it is indeed external influence which somewhat competes with democracy. What’s really bad is the reaching of consensus within the government via mostly trust in designated experts, instead of the voters individually studying the topic.

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  • [+] 11 points 6 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    The reality of the situation is more or less clear, but it helps to understand how things are supposed to work. They make their case and then what? does the audience decide on its own? Otherwise it seems difficult to buy the entire.. voting majority?

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  • [+] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok and they still need majority vote.. often, at least? In which case there seem to be a lot of politicians who are just misinformed (if the lobbying has negative consequences), which doesn’t relate to lobbying specifically but their general decision making.

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    [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    It'd sure be a shame if somebody leaked that data.

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    Man, I love the verb "lobby", it's one of the hardest working euphemisms, lol.

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