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[–] 14 points 6 months ago (1 child)

not sure this is a true LAMF because he ran on a muslim ban. the leopard was eating your face ten years ago

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  • [–] 103 points 6 months ago (34 children)

    Project 2025 laid it all out in black and white. I do not understand all these fuckers whining about getting what they voted for.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Trump claimed not to know anything about project 2025

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Trump claims a lot of things. Everything out of his mouth is a lie.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    the kind of people who might vote for him obviously don't think that.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

    Edit: My brothers and sisters. My beloved family on the internet, please do not get harsh with each other. I was merely trying to demonstrate that this is a difficult issue and placing blame on the victims of a barbaric governmental system is ridiculous when it is the government to blame. Please be kind to one another. We are all victims of this cruel world. Let us instead grieve together. In Love. Bless all y'all

    Well, to be kinder to them; their options were watch their family die, or a final hail Mary and maybe Trump can do something. He did seem to be pretty against the wars in the middle east, according to media. Which I know was deception. So, I dont fault them. I fault Harris for not just saying, "Yes. I will end Israel funding and end the war in Gaza." She could have just done that and swept the win. But dems wanted to play party politics.

    So, the people who are waking up every day to find a new family member dead, should not be faulted. The party that abandoned them should.

    And lastly, put yourself in their shoes. You have two candidates. One says that what Israel is doing isn't great, but isn't bad and we should just keep rocking on. The other guy is the devil, but he's saying that he'll save your family. It's hard to think when you're in those situations.

    Like most things, life is hard. It's gray and nuanced and contradictory at times. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. We have no real control over elections anyway, because not enough people vote. Better to just read on the porch with a cup of coffee and watch the bombs drop wondering when it'll end.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think you’re wrong so I’ll take some of your downvotes.

    I’m not from the Middle East, but I have a close friend who is and has family in Lebanon. His experience has been what you’ve described.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I don't care about downvotes lol

    Yeah, I got friends/family out there, so I get it. Like most things in this world people draw a moral line in the sand and play the trolley problem. No answer is the right answer, unless that answer is zero violence.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t recall there ever being a time where Trump looked better for Palestine even if you believed him. The two candidates were at best tied on this particular issue but Trump so clearly was evil everywhere else

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Trump did 2 half baked cease fire where the numbers of Palestinians dying significantly was reduced while Biden and Harris never wanted a cease fire they knew Israel was the obstacle yet blamed Hamas for it

    During Biden

    70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed

    So the only way for trump to be worst for Palestine is the expulsion of all the Gazans from the land. Harris also welcomed the bad "peace" plan of Trump

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    Here’s an alternative perspective on that alternative perspective.

    Their Hail Mary as you described it relied on a known factor of persecution of immigrants of all types, the LGBTQ+ community, the entirety of anyone who is (or is perceived to be) a “leftist”, and women as a whole.

    So, they were willing to sell out all those people to be thrown in known horrors that were only going to ratchet up even further for their Hail Mary.

    Sure it’s a Sophie’s Choice situation maybe I guess but also. Fuck em.

    They gambled with the future of so many people. Including their own.

    Don’t worry I still blame the base of American voters who we all know are the ride or die’s for this bullshit but there’s enough blame to go around to look at those margins that pushed it past the tipping point.

    Yeah, I “get it”.

    But, as someone who’s in a few of those above categories it’s not something I’ll soon be forgiving nor forgetting.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    So, you're angry at them for being willing to throw the people who were willing to throw them under the bus under the bus?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The point is not “how dare they betray people who were already failing them.” The point is that, in trying to save themselves through a desperate gamble, they still made a choice that helped hand more power to someone whose openly stated agenda threatened a whole lot of other vulnerable people, including many who had nothing to do with their abandonment.

    You can understand why someone makes a desperate choice without pretending the consequences disappear. Those are two different things.

    So yes, the Democratic Party absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable. But that does not magically erase the fact that voting for Trump meant accepting the risk, or certainty, that immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others would be crushed harder too.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And that is the risk they accepted, same as many of those "immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others", and I'm gonna guess you too, accepted the risk of supporting the party that, as you said yourself, "absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable". And if you consider that something to neither forgive nor forget, then you also must understand that you did, in fact have something to do with their abandonment too.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    What’s supporting? Putting trumps head onto Rambos body then putting that all over flags in your yard? Or how about driving around with a sticker on your truck that looked like Biden or kamala tied up in the back? How about GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, i would have aborted Tiffany, Epstein is a good guy he likes them young, oh hey look who raped a 13 year old child…

    Yes you get judged for supporting that. I don’t give a fuck what stupid excuse you lie about today. There’s not a single example of this from the democrats no matter how shit they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    They will feel the consequences for their choice as they fucking should.

    Yes we are angry with them for choosing fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you for not understanding that?

    I don’t give a fuck if you were threatened and told to punch me in the head. If you fucking do it I’m escalating that shit right back. Oh are you Victim? Well aren’t we all.

    Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    Exactly. I punch you in the head with Harris, you're gonna escalate that shit right back and punch me with Trump. Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No. We begged our family to listen to us. Begged them. These people weren’t fucking scared of shit. They are racist. That’s as deep as this goes.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    My friend, please do not be angry with me. I was only speaking as to why the Arab community went for Trump. It is difficult to discuss politics. This kingdom, as many others will fall. Many people will die. Tale as old as time. Mashallah.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    As a Muslim, I don't blame anyone for abstaining. The choices were genocide or genocide+. Trump at least went to meet with some Mosque leaders in Dearborn Michigan. Kamala couldn't even be bothered to do that.

    The Democrats demonstrably abandoned us to our faces. Trump at least acted like he was going to care (which anyone could tell you was a lie, but he did make a show of it).

    My parents, aunts, and uncles all seriously considered voting for Trump because we all felt abandoned by the Democrats.

    Don't blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    Don’t blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.

    And you thought a guy who fucked you over in his first term would be better than a Democrat? That is is Copium right there.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm saying there were no good choices. So I don't know why I'm responsible for the Democrats failure to be even decent.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    When faced with two bad choices at least choose the one that will do the least harm. While you are correct Democrat establishment failed here you can not rationalize any marginalized community justifying either voting for Trump or abstaining from voting based on Trump's past actions or his links to fascist ideology found in documents like Project 2025.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    If you ask the rest of the world, the US has been a fascist country for most of the post war era.

    I also think the US hegemonic system produced this result. I think whatever Trump was going to do was inevitable because look at their opposition. The most milquetoast resistance imaginable.

    So people blaming minorities for not voting against Trump can suck my nuts. This was an inevitable consequence of the system America created. Y'all are mad that the US just took it's mask off. I'm sick of Americans blaming everyone but themselves for the shit they put the world through.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago
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    Oh the media asks you mocking questions!? Look what you helped do to the world, Lebanon included. With mocking questions you're getting off easy.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Last week, Ayad joined other Arab American leaders for a meeting with The Associated Press. Many of them had been deeply involved in conversations with both Democrat Kamala Harris’ and Trump’s campaigns as each courted their vote during the last presidential race.

    “We get this all the time by media, okay? It’s basically, ‘How’d that decision go? How’d that work out for you?’” Ayad said.

    Among the nearly dozen leaders — ranging from county commissioner to state lawmakers to business owners — there was wide agreement that life had not improved since Trump was sworn into office.

    But there was little regret. Many said Democrats did not offer a viable alternative because Harris, the vice president at the time, did not distance herself enough from President Joe Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza.

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    But there was little regret. Many said Democrats did not offer a viable alternative because Harris, the vice president at the time, did not distance herself enough from President Joe Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza.

    I have such a hard time understanding the sentiment. Trump's very first act in office in 2017 was to pass the Muslim ban. "Harris hasn't distanced herself sufficiently from Israel" seems a weird hill to die on when the other guy literally wants to erase your entire religion and culture from planet earth.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Rhetoric is one thing; actions are another. Trump 1's actions weren't significantly worse than those of past American presidents. Now many people absolutely knew Trump 2 would be much, much worse than Trump 1 (not on Gaza though, to be clear), but most didn't know/denied that before he took office in January. IIRC the mayor of Dearborn said something like "Trump targeted us once and he'll do it again, but we were able to stop him once and we'll do it again."

    "Harris hasn't distanced herself sufficiently from Israel"

    Gencoide is never a weird hell to die on.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This is incredibly disingenuous. The community in question didn't support Donald Trump, and overwhelmingly voted 3rd party because Kamala Harris supported Israel's genocide in Gaza.

    Not only washing over that fact but blaming Trump's second term on them is fucking atrocious reporting.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    @SippyCup "and overwhelmingly voted 3rd party because Kamala Harris supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza."But she didn't support anything of the sort and that was a bullshit fig leaf that was retroactively applied to their real reason for not voting for Harris, which is that they hate women and queer people and Harris was a big advocate for both.

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  • [+] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Worse still, she may have not taken direct orders from Israel.

    Don't get ahead of yourself.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not saying she would've been great regarding Israeli policy, but Netanyahu wanted Trump for a reason. The Iran war and subsequent fuel price shock wouldn't have happened.

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    I mean Arabs voting for democrats would also be a leopard's ate my face so I really don't know why this is here might as well sticky this post then another when the democrats are in power

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Brutal but I think these faces were going to get eaten no matter what. America has a long history of aiding Israel's genocide.
    I do think voters are learning how terrible aipac is and we might see them make decisions based on that. I’m skeptical bc voter memory is terrible.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    "Helped propel Trump" is absolute copium. Only 40% of Arab Americans voted for Trump, not enough to overturn any swing state.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    You think you are funny but you will suffer too

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (9 children)

    would there have been significantly less suffering had Harris won?

    whose fault is it that Trump won?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    whose fault is it that Trump won?

    The 77,303,568 of Americans who voted for Trump

    would there have been significantly less suffering had Harris won?

    Irrelevant. The 41% of arab who voted for her are not responsible for the 42% who voted for Trump

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    so the school of dead little Iranian girls is irrelevant now?

    are the 73,459 dead Palestinians irrelevant now?

    what about the 10,000 dead Iranians? are they irrelevant now?

    at least 95% of those people would be alive now if Trump had lost.

    He won because a significant amount American voters decided to fuck around and vote independent or not vote at all out of protest.

    remind me again, when was the last time an independent was president?

    sure sounds like they placed all their hopes and wishes on fixing the wrong thing at the wrong time. because of that, we sit here in our burning building waiting to be rescued from a fire 2/3 of America set.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    Biden and harris was aware about israel preparing to attack Iran during their administration and let it happen. They was never going to stop israel from bombing those schools and would have still fund the war. You just mad that your terrorists in the terrorist army of the united snakes are getting injured and that your life is going to get worst with inflation

    Chariots of Fire (2022): A month-long exercise that simulated a multi-front war, including long-range strike capabilities specifically designed to reach Iranian nuclear facilities.

    ​Juniper Oak (2023): The largest-ever joint U.S.-Israel military exercise.

    Date Aerial Refueling Readiness (2021-2024) : Israel accelerated the acquisition and testing of KC-46A Pegasus tankers to enable fighter jets (like the F-35) to reach Iran and return without landing in neighboring countries.

    are the 73,459 dead Palestinians irrelevant now?

    Most of them was killed during Biden. Biden, Harris and Trump should all rot in jail for their complicity with genocide and not any type of genocide a genocide of extermination

    The audacity of cultists like you who only mention gaza when Biden or Harris is mentioned accusing me who regularly post about Israeli and Americans war crimes that I do not care about Palestinians . Have some shame please

    Edit: Biden did not oppose Israel bombing Iranian oil facilities https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

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  • [+] -1 points 6 months ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    Of course, when you have no more valid arguments, you start shaming people who have English as a third language.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I am in a post where people like you are defending one of the two parties sending billions to a settler colonial power committing a genocide, getting mad at people opposing it regardless of their ideology and beliefs.

    This is beyond American politics. As a decent human being, I have to care. The day your country stops its imperialism, you would be right.

    I make grammatical mistakes, but I understand English very well, and people understand me too.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    you and people like you will never understand risk mitigation because you're always focused on the dreamland of your fantasy where everyone can live in one big happy peaceful world.

    that will never happen while politics, governance, and a thirst for power exist. these are not strictly American traits, these are human traits.

    get over yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire, while Trump managed to have two half-baked ones. You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison. You never posted a single post about war crimes in Lebanon, Palestine or Iran. So just fuck off.

    that will never happen while politics, governance, and a thirst for power exist. these are not strictly American traits, these are human traits.

    This is the dumbest thing I ever heard. It is pretty much unique to the USA to send billions to a settler colonial power to do genocide .

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire

    I'm not contesting that, or arguing that.

    Trump managed to have two half-baked ones.

    I see.

    You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison.

    Can you point out where I said that?

    You never posted a single post about war crimes in Lebanon, Palestine or Iran.

    Irrelevant to the context of the American presidential election. that is what we were discussing after all.

    the fact that you can't understand how a stable middle east directly benefits the US and is the primary reason why the US is so directly involved is telling. hint, this is part of that "politics, governance, and a thirst for power" I mentioned.

    what is also telling is the abundance of blame you have for America, Biden, and democrats but a complete avoidance to place any blame on the current administration.

    you're a troll, plain and simple.

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    Irrelevant to the context of the American presidential election. that is what we were discussing after all.

    The context is American foreign affairs which impact the whole world. If it was about domestic issues you would be right

    the fact that you can’t understand how a stable middle east directly benefits the US and is the primary reason why the US is so directly involved is telling.

    The Middle East is not stable because Israel the settler colonial genocidal terroristic state got support from the West for several decades, majoritarily from your shitty country, from your two shitty political parties that are better described as cults.

    what is also telling is the abundance of blame you have for America, Biden, and democrats but a complete avoidance to place any blame on the current administration.

    My history is full of blame for the current administration, but since you pretend to care about Iran and Palestine, you are not aware. Anybody could have 99.9% posts about Trump war crimes and terrible domestic affairs and have just 1% about Biden and Harris, and you would still call them Trump and Republicans.

    America deserves all the hate it has gotten for being an imperialist power since its foundation, responsible for the largest number of coups and attacked countries post-World War II.

    you’re a troll, plain and simple.

    You are the troll since you lie about me, can't address any criticism of your shitty party, and even started shaming me for my English level.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Sounds like Democrats want to shame people that didn't vote for them

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    nope, you got the Trump hellscape package because you failed to read the room and instead decided to place your faith in wishful thinking.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    How does reading the room factor in?

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    I know what it means. I'm asking how it factors in

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    what do you mean how it factors in?

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