Use the german Betterbird client instead!

This is brilliant to Thunderbird Car. But I like this to Betterbird car.

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[โ€“] 31 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

Thunderbird is far from brilliant, it's adequate, which is high praise in a sea of absolute vile crap, but it still doesn't make it brilliant. Its search (a pretty fundamental feature of an email client at least to me) is absolutely god-awful if not completely broken, at least at the scale of mailboxes I have, and this doesn't seem like an uncommon problem that is limited to just me. I am forced to resort to grep or addons in order to do a proper search of any of my folders with any level of confidence that I am not missing those lovely disappearing messages, since random messages just aren't indexed in Thunderbird's search repeatably, and consistently over about a dozen years of using it, only about 50% of my messages get indexed to become searchable despite any amount of folder reorganization and rebuilding of indexes and deleting databases and other frustrating troubleshooting steps it never works properly.

I've lately been considering giving up on it entirely and moving to a TUI client for email. I might try Betterbird first to see if it's actually any better.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hm so far Thunderbird has been better for searching than anything else that ive tried which honestly isn't saying much.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You can make Thunderbird search work!? Tell me your secretes because Thunderbird can never find anything for me other than all the wrong things.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 months ago

    I'm not sure. Sometimes things don't work but generally it's fine but gets really laggy when I tell it to search email bodies as well, which luckily I don't need to do much. Gmail had a lot more trouble when I used that.

    I am talking about Thunderbird on my laptop, not phone btw.

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Note that the maintainer of Betterbird has been permanently banned from the Mozilla community. He even still mentions it in this specific page. There's not very much more info about this, the only thing that does maybe show their true colors is with issues like this one where he seemingly sent copyright threats privately to other open source projects.

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Mmmm. What are some things that make Betterbird better?

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I really just use Thunderbird on android. But I regularly still have to open the gmail app to search stuff which is less than helpful

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    [โ€“] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Isn't betterbird just thunderbird with some very minor adjustments?

    Its more than a soft fork but barely, like they didnt apply a few commits that removed a feature.

    I don't recall exactly.

    I tried it but it wasn't very compelling.

    Thunderbird is fine. Email sucks.

    edit:

    this is the feature comparisson: https://www.betterbird.eu/#featuretable

    They are calling it a soft fork because it does closely track upstream releases.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 6 months ago

    I use Evolution and FairEmail. A fork is all well and good, but if you want out of the bullshit you have to get out of the ecosystem.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Vivaldi browser has email and calendar built in.

    It's not great, but it's European and 1 app for everything.

    Fairmail on Android for my main email client.

    For those complaining about Thunderbird's search... did you raise a ticket? That's the way to get things improved...

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    ...and it's build on chromium. Yes, technically chromium is open source. In reality Google is the main (afaik it's only noticable) contributor so it's a Google baby. And using something based on chromium strengthens Google's ability to force or deny web technics. If you don't want Google to control web development stop using browser build on top of chromium.

    In reality you have 2 choices: Use firefox (or some fork) or buy a mac and use safari. Every other browser empowers Google.

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