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The critical Atlantic current system appears significantly more likely to collapse than previously thought after new research found that climate models predicting the biggest slowdown are the most realistic. Scientists called the new finding “very concerning” as a collapse would have catastrophic consequences for Europe, Africa and the Americas.

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (Amoc) is a major part of the global climate system and was already known to be at its weakest for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisis. Scientists spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021 and know that the Amoc has collapsed in the Earth’s past.

Climate scientists use dozens of different computer models to assess the future climate. However, for the complex Amoc system, these produce widely varying results, ranging from some that indicate no further slowdown by 2100 to those suggesting a huge deceleration of about 65%, even when carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning are gradually cut to net zero.

The research combined real-world ocean observations with the models to determine the most reliable, and this hugely reduced the spread of uncertainty. They found an estimated slowdown of 42% to 58% in 2100, a level almost certain to end in collapse.

The Amoc is a major part of the global climate system and brings sun-warmed tropical water to Europe and the Arctic, where it cools and sinks to form a deep return current. A collapse would shift the tropical rainfall belt on which many millions of people rely to grow their food, plunge western Europe into extreme cold winters and summer droughts, and add 50-100cm to already rising sea levels around the Atlantic.

Dr Valentin Portmann, at the Inria Centre de recherche Bordeaux Sud-Ouest in France and who led the new research, said: “We found that the Amoc is going to decline more than expected compared to the average of all climate models. This means we have an Amoc that is closer to a tipping point.”

Prof Stefan Rahmstorf, at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said: “This is an important and very concerning result. It shows that the ‘pessimistic’ models, which show a strong weakening of the Amoc by 2100, are, unfortunately, the realistic ones, in that they agree better with observational data.”

He added: “I now am increasingly worried that we may well pass that Amoc shutdown tipping point, where it becomes inevitable, in the middle of this century, which is quite close.”

Rahmstorf, who has studied the Amoc for 35 years, has said a collapse must be avoided “at all costs”. “I argued this when we thought the chance of an Amoc shutdown was maybe 5%, and even then we were saying that risk is too high, given the massive impacts. Now it looks like it’s more than 50%. The most dramatic and drastic climate changes we see in the last 100,000 years of Earth history have been when the Amoc switched to a different state.”

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    we thought the chance of an Amoc shutdown was maybe 5%, and even then we were saying that risk is too high, given the massive impacts. Now it looks like it’s more than 50%.

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    [–] 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Every few years there's a headline like this.

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    Not because people are dredging up old news, but because the collapse estimate keeps getting revised to be sooner.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Not sooner so much as more likely. We're into the 40% to 50% range now

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    The research combined real-world ocean observations with the models to determine the most reliable, and this hugely reduced the spread of uncertainty. They found an estimated slowdown of 42% to 58% in 2100, a level almost certain to end in collapse.

    Rahmstorf, who has studied the Amoc for 35 years, has said a collapse must be avoided “at all costs”. “I argued this when we thought the chance of an Amoc shutdown was maybe 5%, and even then we were saying that risk is too high, given the massive impacts. Now it looks like it’s more than 50%. The most dramatic and drastic climate changes we see in the last 100,000 years of Earth history have been when the Amoc switched to a different state.”

    Yikes.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Anyone have any good sources for predictions of effects of this? It sounds like AMOC is a particularly complex system, and I'm sure the ripples from it collapsing are at least as complex, but it'd be nice to have some idea of where might be a good place to move to, if this is as inevitable as it sounds.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    it'd be nice to have some idea of where might be a good place to move to, if this is as inevitable as it sounds.

    Not as nice as you think. You could dodge harsher winters, an energy crunch and crop failures, just to move to somewhere with heatstress, drought and cropfailures.

    We must not view climate as the thing to watch. It's one part of a larger complex system of systems. Changes in the AMOC can trigger changes elsewhere, and more importantly, elsewhere is changing on its own too. Not just because of emissions.

    It's a lot to digest, especially if you don't have a background in ecology, biology, environmental sciences or systems theory. But a solid easy framework is planetary boundaries.

    It's all 9 boundaries together (plus any new ones discovered) that's going to pickle us. We are exceeding 7 of the 9 identified so far and there are and will be severe consequences for having exceeded our planet's limits.

    I worry about climate change A LOT. I worry about Ecological Overshoot and Collapse due to Planetary Boundaries even more.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    That's fine. Get rid of the "windmills" because they're ugly and keep firing up datacenters left and right.

    /s

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    "It's not our problem, the Liberals did it, and it's a hoax anyway" - MAGA

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