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[–] 20 points 7 months ago

Egoist mentality : "I'm scared of others, I need a car that looks like a tank so that at least I'm safe, even it means other are less so."

Arguably capitalism is fostering "optimizations" but unfortunately it does so entirely amorally. When the only metric is profit then everything else becomes a negative externality to ignore.

TL;DR: yep.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Road wear is ~n^4 where n is vehicle weight. Of course it’s because of SUVs.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    So if if a 400 lb motorbike costs 1 penny per mile in road damage, the 4000 lb SUV should be paying 60 bucks and the 40,000 lb tractor trailer 1 million dollars?

    Or is it divided by contact area?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    The fourth power law (also known as the fourth power rule) is a rule of thumb which states that the stress on the road caused by a motor vehicle increases in proportion to the fourth power of its axle load.

    First line of the linked wikipedia article.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good, sell your car and ride the bus/train. If you live somewhere that isn't feasible, move somewhere it is.

    Every pothole that makes keeping a car untenable is actually the hero every traffic cop thinks he'll be someday.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Why target SUVs when EVs are even heavier.

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    [+] -3 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago
    Prof Christian Brand, the emeritus professor in transport at Kellogg College,
    

    This guy doesn’t even have a degree.

    I really hope you are a troll lobbying for the car industry ... because a rando questioning the credential of an Oxford professor which we can verify with a single DuckDuckGo query reading "Professor Christian Brand is an interdisciplinary environmental scientist, physicist and geographer with over 25 years research experience in academic and consultancy environments." from the page of one of the most prestigious university in the World, for centuries, is really weird.

    It doesn't mean though that appeal to authority is right and thus that whatever Prof Christian Brand writes is correct. It's not because he's a professor researching in the area of expertise of the paper that he's right... but his credentials are definitely on point.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Pretty sure they are scientists. It's a broad term as far as I know, and anyways these are (probably) smart people (judging by their titles/jobs) and what they are saying or concluding from data is just common sense: heavier car = more wear and tear on road surfaces.

    Anyways: Are you saying it could be EVs too? That's probably likely to be causing some of this too, I think they are generally 500kg heavier than gas cars.

    Another reason to add to the "EVS ARENT THE SOLUTION" pile?

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    [–] 40 points 7 months ago

    They're making everything worse.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Increasing number of heavier vehicles

    EV’s are the heavyweights so we collectively need to decide whether we’re going to improve roads or reduce car traffic

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Depends, some that don't have oversized batteries aren't too bad compared to any other modern car...

    A large part of the weight of modern cars is crash protection structures, regardless of if it's an EV or not...

    The overall size of the vehicle is the biggest determining factor in its weight though...

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  • [+] -36 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Pretty sure it transport trucks and lorries that do most of the damage, but sure blame SUVs everyone hates those right?

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Por que no los dos.

    Plus the lorries and HGVs have an actual purpose and use, whereas 95% of all SUVs could be replaced by a smaller car with their owner still being able to do what they need to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    SUVs are small, lifted cars with a ridiculous amount of padding. They are such useless vehicles. Truly one of the dumbest things to hit the automobile market. I can't take people seriously in these things.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago* (1 child)
  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago

    I don’t own a SUV I own an EV which is another type of vehicle that gets blamed for wrecking roads due their weight. Roads are designed around the largest vehicle that commonly use them. For example in suburban neighbourhoods that would be a garbage truck. Would SUVs increase road wear sure, but Increased traffic and less road maintenance would be bigger factors then SUVs.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    It is experimentally measured that road damage is proportional to fourth power of weight on an axle. And most of the trucks have multiple axles that distribute the weight. But SUVs while being lighter only have 2 axles, so the road damage done isn't that much smaller. So I wouldn't be surprised if most of the damage was done by SUVs, since there are much more od them.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yes, it is about weight. It would generally be good to reduce the amount of heavy vehicles on roads or to let heavy vehicles pay more. There are countries who have issues with more freight traffic being on the road than it should be. (Freight trains have cheaper infrastructure for long-distance stuff)

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    [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Wait until people find out that electric cars are even heavier.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You can't stop boomers buying SUVs. It's as much as a status symbol to them as Adidas trainers are to kids (I might be showing my age here do kids still care about Adidas?).

    Tax the fuck out of heavier vehicles. Put that money back into the roads. Why most of the inner city streets needs a mini tractor riding up and down them is beyond me. But it's not going to stop. So deal with the problem better.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Anyone driving behind one could have told them that

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Good thing I have a new bike. Off road suspension can take all the craters in the road pretty well.

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