Just think about who benefits from all this shit and you know who he works for.
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“Before Trump, the review process was based on merit and impact. Now, it’s like rolling the dice because a DOGE person has the final say,” said one current program officer.
so when he said now it'd be all merit as excuse to attempt to turn DEI into a slur was also just a confession of what he's against? everything is the opposite with him just like when he says he wants to help Ukraine then do the opposite or with the other million things he has backtracked so far..
Among the first things fascism sets its sight on are the sciences and the arts.
only for scientists though, they have the same problem as the usa at the lower levels, very low prospect in certain fields at the undergrad/masters level. biotech for example is pretty much requires documented lab and or research experience by the time of graduation or its a no-go. however if your a scientist you have more options.
It’s only an own goal if Trump feels any consequences. I’m still hopeful that he will, but losing hope every day.
It's an own goal assuming Trump's team is the USA and its people. Which of course, it isn't.
Unfortunately this will cost long-term impact that Trump won’t be around to see. The country’s reputation and leadership in scientific research are one of those areas of attack that are easy to destroy but can take a generation or more to rebuild. Combine this with trying to turn universities into propaganda factories and it will be devastating to our future
doesnt the gop have a specific college they use to churn out said propaganda heads, or gop members, i forgot there is one that the gop fully supports.
Probably. There’s New College in Florida with curriculum controlled by DeSantis and his loyal followers - that should lose accreditation.
But Trump used the threat of cancelling funding to force Columbia and other schools to change their curriculum.
That’s why it’s more important than ever for Harvard to keep up the fight. They see that submitting doesn’t make it stop. On the one hand they’re the wealthiest university so can afford it but on the other hand they have so much more to lose. So much research in so many cities, states, countries, covering so many critical issues in so many fields. So many “best and brightest” from all over the world that will no longer come here. This is a huge impact on American science, and scientific reputation, a huge impact on our tech and innovation, a huge impact on legal immigration that makes a difference. As one of the news magazines said, Trump interfering with Harvard is an “own goal” against the us that could take decades, or a generation to recover from.
So much of the US has been driven by attracting the smartest most capable people from all over the world, and destroying the reputation that brings them here can not be easily rebuilt
It's not kind boggling at all. Stupid people vote R. They don't want anyone with "thoughts".
Doge's interference reminds me heavily of insurance interfering with doctors.
He wants to control dissent by manipulating the access to information. The same reason that Russia does it, the same reason that Canadian conservatives tried to do it.
It is ironic that they want the benefits of science but wage war against it.
Trump will go away. Scientists will not go away. Science will get smaller, but that may well be good for it ... scientists are inventive. Have you seen the simple tools they used to make all those discoveries back in the middle 1800s?
The more efficient we can get, the less resources we use. Early TVs each drew HUNDREDS of watts. As did early computers. What changed? Scientific insights.
Scientists will go away. Some may come back. We'll eventually get new ones. But many will decide they quite like the life they build in Europe. This will have long term consequences
Also early science was easier because the easy and cheap to discover stuff wasn't yet discovered
Scientists are generally not stupid. They will not toil away in their garages trying to replicate million dollar laboratories. They will go work for people who have money, like oil companies and hedge funds.
Do these idiots even realize, without the foundation of science, there would be no engineering?
Do they realize that without health science there will be no staying alive?
It’s not an own goal if the team and fans don’t see goals as good.
I see what you mean, but science is objectively beneficial to a country, no matter what they think. Another way to see your point is that defunding science is only an own goal if Trump means to serve the USA. If he means to serve other interests while enriching himself and keeping popular in the short term, then it's going according to plan.
Yeah, they've already placed tons of bets against themselves; own-goals are just lining their pockets.
Dumbass Taco won't be getting own-goaled, as he will likely never pay the consequences for his idiocy. It's all the rest of us that will still be around after his stupid ass has shuffled off his mortal coil.
The bigger problem now as I see it is that some research conducted outside of the U.S. might reference US research. During this time of widespread disinformation from U.S. and Russia I think we need a tool to help us filter.
That extends to the FDA in the USA too. Since people of integrity have been removed there I wouldn’t trust any medical statements or research that originate from it.
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