Lots of small companies won't survive the components price hike and shortage

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[–] 71 points 7 months ago (1 child)

They also used copyrighted material without the consent of the authors to train their models.

They polluted the air and stole clean water from communities who lived close to their data centers.

Hoarding RAM is only the tip of the iceberg.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine this: You're a dirty rotten billionaire. Look what you can do with your miniscule billions if you had just 10 of them.

    With $10 billion, if you invested it to generate a conservative 5% annual return, you could spend roughly $1.37 million per day ($500 million a year) without ever touching the principal. If you didn't invest it, you could spend over $100,000 daily for roughly 274 years.

    These assholes just love hoarding the wealth and anything else they can so long as you peasants don't get any of it. Instead, think of wealth this way in that it is like fertilizer, if you spread it around evenly everything grows nicely and beautiful. If you hoard that shit, it stinks something awful.

    Fuck tech bros, fuck billionaires, fuck the elite; they're destroying this world and the 99% of us' way of life because of their greed.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I agree with your sentiment, but I'm compelled to point out that their "billions" is in the valuation of the preferred shares of the corporations they control. If they were to sell to get their billions in cash, the value of their portfolio that analysts purport they have would plummet to pennies on the dollar and very quickly.

    Billionaires take out loans using their appraised assets as collateral when they need a couple tens of hundreds of millions in cash.

    These billionaires' egos literally write checks their bodies can't cash with tacit approval from the Fed and SEC.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    They think of it like a game. Its just like some dickhead on reddit posting endless bullshit on reddit to amass internet points, except that billionaire points affect the well-being of the real world, which neither the reddit dickhead nor the billionaire really live in or care about.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago* (9 children)

    It's just how free market works against free market, leading to capital concentration, basic and unavoidable capitalist contradiction.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Nothing free about us markets lol

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Lack of regulations resulting in a rampant speculation like the above is by definition one of the core tenets of free market. That free market just don't work for people like me or you.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    People think "free" means "I can do whatever I want," but really it usually means "people with more power than me can do whatever they want to me."

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    No, there's plenty of regulation, it's corrupt regulation and that's not free market.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    In this case it's precisely lack of regulation. There's no law forbidding doing this. Now imagine how shit it was with essentials (Irish famine for example).

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Go ahead and start your own memory fab then, there's no regulation stopping you apparently.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago

    Capitalism baby

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Making it illegal would be a regulation and you can't have those unless they're regulating sex or gender.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago*

    It is not 'LLM companies'. It is OpenAI. And not from buying memory either. Last year they made two deals with two major memory manufacturers, which together meant they were purchasing a significant percentage of the world's memory production. And they negotiated these two deals in secret, each company not knowing that the other was in discussions, and announced the two deals on the same day. They weren't even buying memory chips you can put in a server, but finished wafers with memory chips printed on them. These wafers then have to be cut up into chips, those chips have to be put in packages, themselves tested, and then soldered down to memory modules. As far as I know, OpenAI has no ability to do this. So it seems likely they purchased a significant portion of the world's memory production just to drive up prices and keep their competitors from having it.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    ITT: answers explaining why they’re doing it rather than the actual question of how it’s legal.

    I guess the short answer is, when you’re rich and powerful, who’s going to stop you? We don’t have a functioning government and haven’t since the 70s at the latest; it’s been captured and only serves wealth and Wall StreetStreet now.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    Money.

    The answer to any "Why is company X fucking everyone?" is always because it makes some asshole somewhere an obscene amount of profit.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    There is no law regulating who someone can sell something, assuming it's not regulated goods aka drugs, guns.

    AI companies just outbid everyone else by a big enough margin and there are less than a handful of companies producing RAM as it's rather complicated and specific production process.

    New producers cant easily enter the market due to the complexity and completely insane initial investment cost in setting up the production and they would have to design their own RAM chips as well, which would take years if not decades.

    Current chip producers don't want to increase production either due to liking high price and being afraid of the bubble popping.

    Even if there is some legal grounds for government stepping in and regulating supply to avoid collapse of smaller companies who can't outbid AI companies. They are dining and getting funded by the same AI companies.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    No one is hoarding RAM (or DRAM aka what we call as RAM)

    Instead it has mostly been a supply side crunch, and none of the individual steps are "illegal"

    1. AI servers use a special memory called HBM
    2. HBM is good at what it does but it has a very 'high wafer area per server' (it is stacked, and each level is lower density than normal DRAM)
    3. OpenAI (and apparently others) skipped middlemen of supply chain and directly negotiated with the fab to get priority for their HBM fabrication.
    4. This crunched supply on the open market for HBM
    5. Other people followed up
    6. Fab companies pivoted other manufacturing lines to HBM because of so many orders (and because it is really profitable to manufacture)
    7. That caused crunch on DRAM
    8. Other memory manufacturers pivoted to more expensive segment of their expertise (eg Flash memory fab)
    9. This caused crunch on other common memory segments
    10. Expensive memory means you try to move to higher segment for your own products (eg: laptop, mobile) else you don't have any slack in your BOM. This is causing the consumer good crunch
    11. Once stuff becomes expensive, people hedge and buyout inventories. This is causing the Covid era style supply chain shock. The impact radius is expected to increase in coming months even if RAM situation resolves.
    12. "Special mission" against Iran is blocking critical supply chain for chips (speciality chemicals, helium, etc.)
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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    It's legal because capitalists have captured the levers of power nearly everywhere.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Capitalism > Law

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  • Because in the us if you bribe the president anything is legal. Here, legal just means you bribed the president. If you didn't bribe him it's not legal.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Capitalism! Fuck yeah!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Money. Lots of money.

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    [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Venture Capital.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of it probably isn’t legal, but who’s gonna prosecute them?

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    My brain re-writes it from “our society must have regulations to prevent this!” to “we should seize the means of production to make sure this shit can never happen again.”

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    That's how manufacturing things works.

    If you make something that people are willing to pay lots of money for then you can sell the things you make for lots of money.

    That's it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    It's only one company that hoarded all the RAM: OpenAI. They're the ones that intentionally created scarcity in the market in order to maintain what they thought was a dominant position.

    Don't lump all the other AI companies in with them. They're they ones that claimed to be all about improving humanity and registered themselves as a non-profit, then turned around and went for-profit with shady deals left and right (like the DRAM thing).

    Anthropic lost their contract with the government because they refused to use their AI to snoop on innocent people and possibly make automatic determinations as to who and what to bomb. OpenAI leapt right on that opportunity, "we're happy to do that! Give us the contract!"

    I'm not saying the other AI companies are pinnacles of ethics but there's one player—who is so closely aligned with Microsoft they have employees sitting on each other's campuses—that is vastly worse than the others when it comes to underhand shit that's bad for everyone.

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