Democrats are better managers of the empire than Republicans. If you want the empire to be weakened or even destroyed, you'd prefer terrible managers.
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Mrs "no daylight" really gonna go for it?
I love how controversial this is. Lib meter off the charts.
Material analysis, systemic analysis, these processes give clarity: it is a machine that needs to be dismantled.
This situation is literally downstream of a democrat committing genocide in the region. You're a fool if you think this wasn't happening under Kamala. Based on what 'zero difference between me and Biden' signal she gave during the election do you think she would diverge from this course? Stopping the entity from starting the war? Following the logic of escalation to seek a victory from a position of defeat? Foolish.
Kamala literally said that Iran is one of the greatest threats... Just look at their foreign policies instead of domestic ones. You'd see that there is not any difference between them at all. Only reason that liberals care about Trump is that he's mean about it and that's the extend on which libs think this issue ends on.
Not just that he's mean, it's that he doesn't try to hide how mean he and the usa is. They don't let them keep the cover over anything
Acknowledging that they are our greatest threat is not a commitment to do anything. Democratic presidents have always been reactionary to threats. Iran was not doing anything new or different at the time that Trump started bombing the snot out of them.
Thinking people are opposed to Trump invading Iran, or opposed to Trump in general because he's "mean" is misguided at best. If Trump had gone through the correct channels, and gotten congressional approval for the "strategic combat operations" weve been involved in, nobody would have anything to complain about (other than the obvious "no new wars" and higher gas prices, but thats a different topic entirely). Trump acts as though he has absolute power in the seat of the executive, and has unfortunately surrounded himself with loyal cronies that wont tell him no. I dont give a fuck that he's mean (it isnt even that he is, he honestly acts like a 1st grade playground bully), but I do give a fuck about him following the law, being held accountable when he doesn't, and that he follows correct etiquette when making decisions that will effect the entire country.
If Trump had gone through the correct channels, and gotten congressional approval for the “strategic combat operations” weve been involved in, nobody would have anything to complain about
I don't know I think killing hundreds to thousands of innocents is still bad even if the US pedo elite signs off on it collectively.
This is why most of the world hates you btw.
Sadly it would be enough for a lot of Americans, just like the made up bullshit to hit Iraq and Afghanistan
Sorry I shouldve probably said "we'd have less to complain about". I dont support us getting involved in another war in the middle east, I support that idea EVEN LESS when we start a war in the ME without using the proper channels. And I cant disagree with you there, we constantly get involved in shit around the world that we shouldnt be, and that nobody has asked us to, in the interest of "spreading democracy".
Yeah, we need More female and diverse drone bomber pilots and concentration camp guards!!
The Status Quo vs The Status Quo But Worse is a totally free and fair election, liberal democracy is not just a placeholder for fascism!
She could have distanced herself from Biden's genocide but chose not to
a diet-genocide is still the same thing as a full-fat-genocide.
She was even campaigning on making the military more lethal and Iran is out biggest enemy
Name the better alternative
But like I said...no one bothered to show up and vote...so we got Biden.
That's not even close to what happened.
The DNC Leadership chose Biden specifically to stop Bernie.
That's why when Biden was in sixth place going in to Super Tuesday every establishment candidate ahead of him bowed out on the same night and gave him their delegates, pushing him from sixth to first, and Warren stayed in to split the progressive vote and push the "Bernie Bros are sexist creeps" narrative.
The US is not a Democracy, it's an Oligarchy.
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not running a pro-genocide candidate to run against another pro-genocide candidate would be a great start.
Are you really suggesting that there isn't a chilling effect on people who want to improve the status quo when they see the party nakedly manipulating the outcome? With this being exactly four years after the DNC nakedly manipulated the system in ways that had since been exhaustively documented, I'd say it massively suppressed the progressive vote, and Warren staying in far too long and splitting that vote before endorsing Biden sealed the deal.
Three election cycles in a row the party has nakedly and unashamedly manipulated things to ensure a donor-friendly candidate. In 2024 there wasn't even a primary, despite everyone knowing Biden couldn't handle another campaign.
At this point anyone who finds the status quo unacceptable and still votes for the Democrats is obviously a graduate of the Charlie Brown School of Field Goal Kicks.
Are you really suggesting that those people are being somehow prevented from voting, just because the establishment wants them to stay home?
No, I'm suggesting that those people are (correctly) realizing that the game is rigged and refusing to play. Your narrative that progressives could win if they showed up has been repeatedly proven to be a lie, fewer people believe it each election cycle, you cannot change the status quo by doing what the people who profit from the status quo want you to do. The Democrats are not the opposition to the GOP, they are the compliment to them. They exist to make the Wall St agenda palatable by comparison. Their only purpose is to ensure the gullible retain enough faith in the system to prevent any meaningful revolt.
The DNC is a private corporation and would have chosen Biden anyways
They managed to successfully convince enough progressives that they could, that people just sat down and stopped fighting
Weird way to say got all but the other progressive candidate to drop out, get behind Biden and have the remaining progressive candidate start attacking Bernie
Not really. Dnc could pull another trick like the Iowa app fuck up. Or as others have pointed out they don't even need to follow how voters in the primary or cacuses pick.
I'm confused are you arguing the dnc doesn't control who they put on the ticket or that it's the voters fault for how presidential primaries go when it may not even matter by the time they get the opportunity to vote?
But oh no gaza
The fact you can say this about a genocide and people not supporting it's enablers really shows how despicable you are.
Those dead iranian school childrens blood is on all the hands that sat back and let or even helped trump into the office.
This means that the blood of every dead Gazan is on the hands of everyone who directly voted to enable their slaughter
The best alternative liberal Zionist Bernie Sanders who even if he had received all the votes you wanted would have just been undermined and sabotaged again by the DNC establishment like in 2016. You can't vote the fascism away. The ruling class is not going to politely expropriate themselves. You should read Luxemburg's "reform or revolution".
Bernie is absolutely a liberal. Calling him anything else ignores what he actually proposes. He wants to regulate capital, not expropriate it. He wants to blunt capitalism's worst edges at home while leaving the imperial core intact. That is social democracy at best, a liberal ideology. His own platform accepts the basic framework of private ownership of the means of production. He seeks to manage the crisis, not resolve its root cause. That is precisely the reformism Luxemburg critiqued a century ago in the work I already recommended. You really should read it.
Electoralism under liberal democracy is not a path to socialism. It is a containment strategy. The ballot box is designed to channel dissent into harmless rituals that leave property relations untouched. You think stacking votes can overcome capital's structural power. But capital does not rule through votes. It rules through ownership of production, control of credit, domination of media, and monopoly on organised violence. When the vote threatens those foundations, the mask comes off. The courts block, the capital strikes, the media smears, the state represses. This is not conspiracy. It is the normal functioning of the bourgeois state. Expecting otherwise is like expecting a wolf to vote itself vegetarian.
Your entire argument rests on idealist assumptions. You treat consciousness as primary and material conditions as secondary. You think changing minds at the ballot box changes the balance of class forces. That is backwards. Social being determines social consciousness, not the other way around. You mistake the form of democracy for its content. You ignore that the two-party system is a mechanism to limit political competition to factions of capital, not to enable working-class rule. You cite 2016 and 2020 as if they were isolated failures of strategy, not expressions of a system that structurally excludes anti-capitalist politics. You blame the left for "quitting" instead of asking why the electoral arena absorbs and neutralises radical energy every single time. This is not analysis. It is moralising.
I am Chinese, not American. We had our revolution. We broke the bourgeois state and built a system where the vote actually means something because it is embedded in democratic centralism and whole-process people's democracy, not trapped in a ballot box ritual that changes nothing. These electoralist squabbles about which faction of capital should manage the American empire are none of my concern outside of the theoretical interest I take in educating and engaging in dialogue with comrades in a much different situation.
I know it sounds cliché to say "read theory," but genuinely, every idealist assumption you are recycling has been academically addressed and refuted for decades.
These smug dipshits may not take your explanations to heart, but know that I am.
We get it, you're still mad at the commies for not falling in line behind Girlboss Hitler
Democrats have been just as bad as Republicans when it comes to Central and West Asia. Just because you think people there don't matter doesn't mean everyone does
... from a historical standpoint, Fascists hate Liberals ...
they're the same thing where it matters; you need to go back and study history that isn't written by a capitalist.
Lol! Wut? The Soviets didn't form an "anti-Nazi alliance"…they were allied with the Nazis. They made a deal with them to carve up Eastern Europe between their two empires. This was literally the same cynical opportunism that led the Americans to give sanctuary to Nazi scientists after the war. If this means that Liberals are somehow naturally aligned with fascism, in your mind…then so are Communists, by the same criteria. It simply isn't true, either way.
It's amazing that every comment you post is so embarrassingly wrong.
The USSR spent years trying to build an anti-Nazi alliance. 1933 they proposed collective security at the League of Nations. 1935 they signed mutual defense pacts with France and Czechoslovakia. Spring 1939 they sat in Moscow for months begging Britain and France for a real triple alliance. The West stalled. Refused to guarantee the Baltics. Refused to let the Red Army cross Poland to actually fight Hitler. Poland's elite, more scared of workers than of Nazis, said no too and instead joined Hitler in attacking Czechoslovakia. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact happened because liberals handed Hitler Eastern Europe rather than work with socialists.
When Soviet troops entered eastern Poland September 17 1939, the Polish state had already collapsed. Government fled to Romania September 15. Warsaw was burning. The army was broken. The lands the USSR moved into? Not Poland proper. Territories Poland had seized and occupied by force in 1919-1921 from Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania.
And spare me the nonsense about liberals and fascists. They share a foundation: defense of capitalist property. When capital feels threatened, liberalism drops the mask. Chile 1973. Indonesia 1965. Greece 1967. The Soviet Union abolished the capitalist class. That is a total category difference.
Then there is denazification. The contrast couldn't be clearer. In the Soviet zone, former Nazis went to labor camps. They worked. They earned minimum wage like other inmates. In the West? Operation Paperclip handed over 1,600+ Nazi scientists, officers, and spies. Wernher von Braun, who used slave labor to build V-2 rockets, became head of NASA's Apollo program. Adolf Heusinger, Hitler's Chief of the General Staff, became Chairman of the NATO Military Committee. Johannes Steinhoff, Nazi ace, also chaired NATO's military committee. Heinz Reinefarth, who massacred civilians in Warsaw, became a respected mayor in West Germany.
I genuinely cannot fathom how someone can be this historically, politically, and materially illiterate and still type with such confidence.
Did you actually read what I wrote or just skim for a keyword?
Yes, the USSR ran Operation Osoaviakhim. They relocated German specialists. And then those specialists were forced to worked in research institutes under massive scrutiny and supervision for minimum wage where they would be executed if they refused to work. Not one of them was made head of the Soviet rocket program. Not one was given a seat on the Central Committee. Not one was appointed to command Warsaw Pact forces.
The Soviet system used their technical labor under massive constraint and threat. The Western system restored their class power. Wernher von Braun didn't just "work" for NASA. He was a leader. Adolf Heusinger didn't just "consult" for NATO. He chaired its Military Committee. These weren't technicians in a lab. They were architects of policy, strategy, and rearmament.
You call that "identical." That's not analysis. That's surrendering to bourgeois propaganda. One system subordinated former fascists to the dictatorship of the proletariat. The other subordinated the postwar order to former fascists. If you can't grasp that distinction, no amount of facts will help you. But please, keep typing. It's instructive. I personally couldn't imagine being so arrogant and idiotic as to embarrass myself to the level you have throughout this thread. You really are showing how you have somewhere between 0 and a negative understanding of history and honestly reality and might possibly be illiterate.
This is basically just propaganda speak, for “my side can’t do bad things, only your side can”
No it's the historical record of what actually happened. The fact you don't like it and wish all countries and systems were equally bad when it comes to fascism doesn't change that. The USSR for it's many faults was absolutely antifascist pre, during and post war.
You are exhausting. So arrogant and so utterly wrong. You should be embarrassed I'm surprised the embarrassment hasn't won out and stopped you from spouting nonsense at least for a bit but I suppose you're still in the denial phase.
You are conveniently omitting the fact that the Soviet Union had nearly identical programs running in parallel to the US.
But they weren't identical that's the whole point I'm making please actually read what I said. I know reading might be hard but you are just wasting your time typing nonsense because you seemingly can't grasp what I'm saying
In this case it’s cartoonishly obvious by the fact that your argument is so completely one-sided.
In the case of the Nazis and fascism reality was "cartoonishly onesided". Again as I said the USSR for its many faults was absolutely antifascist whereas the US/Europe were categorically not. Look into operation gladio. Look into the history of Ford and IBM with regards to the Nazis not just pre war but during the war. Look at the difference between operation Paperclip and Osoaviakhim.
If you think an accurate portrayal of reality is propaganda you really should do some introspection on what you believe, where you learned it etc. You have been embarrassingly wrong in basically every comment I've seen.
Thanks for proving you're as illiterate about history as you are about politics. Now there's almost no chance any serious adults accidentally think you have anything intelligent to say.
Historical illiteracy and false equivalence.
the difference between a Liberal and a literal Fascist.
Haha, lol, lmao even
Free Palestine
Really? That's funny, I seem to remember the DNC canceling the primary last election. Huh. Odd for a party where, "the voters decide who makes up the party".
Your good guys literally committed a genocide. You're a fucking clown.
No. I’m mad that the American left is so politically uneducated that they can’t tell the difference between a Liberal and a literal Fascist.
GUESS THE DIFFERENCE ISN'T FUCKING GENOCIDE
from a historical standpoint
The raw fucking irony of whining about people's political literacy and then saying this shit.
Oh, are israeli propagandists bad or something? Is it a mark on your character to support them or something?
What the fuck do you think the word nuance means, you fucking idiot?
Since the rest of your comment is just smugly talking to yourself, totally nailing the vapid ignorance. "Um actually the people you don't like would like you because you were mean to me" stupid fucking baby.
This braindeadism would be so funny to watch if America wouldn't drag everyone else down with them.
Sorry to tell you guys, but your only option in the foreseeable future is to vote for the democrats and pray they prove a tiny bit better. You have nothing else in your hands. Third party votes are political suicide. So is not voting. Even if the Dems are bad, they are not fascists (for now). Pray they don't become fascists.
Cheers from a place far, far (but not far enough) away.
Even if the Dems are bad, they are not fascists (for now). Pray they don’t become fascists.
Graham Platner literally has a white power tattoo on his chest and has been a paid mercenary for the imperialist projects in Iraq/Afghanistan.
He's also considered to be the most progressive Democrat in Maine's election this year.
If all the dems have to do is be 99% as bad as republicans then they'll always be bad, because republicans also keep getting worse
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