I'll always be thankful that vaping got me off tobacco, and eventually nicotine too. But there's an abyssal gulf between the self assembled, diy vape and self mixed liquid that vaping started at, and the white ox grade addiction pods that vaping has become.

There's absolutely no reason to have the default strength be 50mg/mL, unless optimising for addiction without quite hitting a poisonous dose.

Just admit, like all people who smoke cigarettes do, that it’s bad for you and that you’ll continue doing it.

I don't know why people can't just do this. I drink

sometimes like a fish

and I know it's not good for me and likely will take years off of my life. But I like it. So oh fucking well.

Had a diet soda after work yesterday. Just sat down right now after getting home from work and am craving one intensely.

There is no way something so yummy and habit forming is consequence-free.

Just admit, like all people who smoke cigarettes do, that it’s bad for you

I still know people who insist smoking isn't bad for you. Typically with some kind of "Actually, oranges and swimming pools kill more people than cigarettes do, so it's no big deal" rejoinder. It's genuinely maddening.

Congratulations, that's a great accomplishment! Hopefully you are able to hit 4 months, then 4 years, then 4 decades.

YES!!! I'm SO happy for you!!! That's awesome!

Dude congrats!! You're past the worst of it, in my opinion. If you relapse, you relapse, but now you know what you're capable of. You got this!

how so? isn't it the smoke that's bad?

Did their research for them, article here, paywalled, abstract only (not even citations). They say 3 cases of oral cancer in the abstract, case studies not stats. They also highlight 100x the level of Cotinine (the predominant metabolite of nicotine, so this is shocking I tell you. Shocking, interestingly it's currently being studied as a treatment for depression, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease.).

The other thing that might be human (or not, only the abstract), likely in vitro, is "Biomarkers also indicate vaping-attributable oxidative stress, epigenetic change and inflammation in oral and respiratory tissue often specified in comparison with smoking.", pretty unsurprising, "often specified in comparison" seems weaselly, and the rest is mouse studies it seems.

Seems pretty nothing burger to me, going off what I have, if there were significant results the abstract would be much stronger.

I would be shocked if there are not, anywhere someone vapes nicotine regularly gets coated in a sort of film, which is what you would be inhaling second hand...

Showing evidence doesn't even work generally. Psychology doesn't work that way sadly.

Relatively safe != safe, it just means more safe than the thing being compared to. It's likely still a big improvement over smoking.

Vapes enjoyed a fuckton of marketing from people proudly proclaiming "There is no proof that these new things cause cancer!" Followed by a decade of company funded "Nuh-uh!" ambiguous refutations and lobbying campaigns to kill any kind of contrary studies.

Like, I get the impulse to say "No duh". But I doubt you're listening to a congo line of Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson ad men telling you that vaping is the safest, bestest, most liberating way to consume your drug of choice.