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[–] 65 points 7 months ago (42 children)
  • [+] -102 points 7 months ago (41 children)

    They are trying to co-opt May Day and neuter it

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Nationwide protests

    Tankies on lemmy: "That's performative! They need to do a general strike!"

    Protest organizers organize a general strike on international labour day

    Tankies on lemmy: "they're co-opting and neutering international labour day!!1!"

    What the fuck do you think they should do on may day, twiddle their dicks and doompost about capitalism?

    It's a fucking general strike, organized by a decentralized movement of civil sector and labour organizations! How in that twisted and dissonant mind of yours do you justify calling that "co-opting" and "neutering" the labour movement?!?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    go watch netflix and get some fast food

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Huh? Dude, you're pathetic. Are you seriously going through an entire month-old post just to respond to every comment trying to stir shit up?

    The bullshit you're spewing doesn't even make any sense.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That's what Labor Day was for. You seem very confused. Did you get hit in the head recently?

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    May Day is for recognizing labor. The US oligarchy is using that date to redefine what that day was designed for by using terms that are gaining reactions in the US, coopting them so they can neutralize the impact. They are doing to labor what MAGA communists are doing to neuter communism with disenfranchised conservatives.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    So what do you propose people do then?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    You will notice that the people like that will never have an answer for this question.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    says the fed or useful idiot... lemmy is for news and bitching and memes and learning.. not to leak opsec.. They also told you... you need to clean your eye ears.... it need to be longer (thats what your mom said) and organized via militant labor unions in which we don't have. We are in uncharted waters or modern day feudalism. Really what is disheartening is denile delusion and hope.

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  • [–] 64 points 7 months ago* (28 children)

    FYI to others: I have this tankie from Lemmy.ml tagged as believing China doesn't ban images of Xi as Winnie the Pooh, lol.

    All I ever see them be is antagonistic, sowing apathy, defeatism, or trying to egg people with stochastic rhetoric (but never themselves, of course).

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    There’s more than a few of these around. They start shit on otherwise seemingly normal posts for no reason, and often have a couple (friends? Alts?) to give them a couple upvotes to keep them afloat. IDK why they seem more prevalent lately and they’re only there to be dicks and not actually engage.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Because foreign adversarial governments who want to see the demise of the west have access to the internet too.

    Seriously, to think the FSB and the CCP's CPD aren't on lemmy is to delude oneself...

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Guess I’m surprised that any of them would waste time on Lemmy/the fediverse. It doesn’t have enough clout to seem to be worth the effort.

    We absolutely have trolls and there was pretty much no possibility at all that there wasn’t some kind of State monitoring going on, but active organized State Trolls seemed a stretch. There are far more popular platforms to manipulate the denizens of.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Waste time? It's not the oligarchs in those countries doing it. They siphon the wealth of their nations like parasites. They can afford to pay a few peasants to operate their troll farms, where one person can direct thousands of bots at a time.

    There's an entire office building in Petersburg devoted to cyber/psyops. True, they probably focus most of their effort on more popular platforms like reddit, xitter, tiktok, facebook, and instagram. They're definitely on telegram, maybe even whatsapp and discord. I wouldn't be surprised if they're even on irrelevant artifacts like quora and yelp.

    But to think they're not on the fediverse, just because it isn't as popular as other platforms? Please. They'll leave no stone unturned.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    you people are doing nothing... yet you feel other people are doing nothing. What comes after trump is even more dangerous. Hope is a noose... action leads to satifaction.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I have them tagged as a Troll

    They have only ever commented in Politics, World News, and occasionally Late Stage Capitalism

    Since their account was created and over 1000 comments, they only talk in a derivative tone about political shit, in only 3 communities. That's a bullshit account if I've ever seen one, or they just have a shitty personality... either way, their opinion is moot to me

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  • [+] -14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe your time would be better spent worrying about your own country?

    Traveler threatened with jail or fine had phone forcefully searched and was denied entry after bald photo of JD Vance found.

    Only state approved journalists allowed in White House press pool.

    Pentagon removes internal press media offices.

    Protestors charged with terrorism for wearing black clothing and handing out pamphlets.

    US builds concentration camps for those disappeared by masked secret police, after killing citizens in street.

    Masked secret police collecting DNA, face scans, license plates from peaceful protestors, for use in creating a database of "domestic terrorists".

    Trump wishes to imprison additional US citizens in El Salvadoran gulag after sending 280 immigrants.

    Police arrest and attack citizens with chemical weapons, batons, and projectiles, injuring over 300,000 people per year.

    US bankrolls, supplies, and provides troops to apartheid state conducting genocide.

    But China (7000km away) is big meanie and if I can't have pooh photo (if I ever travel 7000km to China (which I hate because pooh photo)), I will literally die.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Are you assuming that commenter is american?

    Also, nobody here is claiming that america is good. We're literally here to discuss how drastically things in the US need to change.

    The comment you're replying to was calling out the hypocrisy of someone trying to detract from the protests going on. Denying the authoritarianism of one country doesn't help oppose authoritarianism in another. Two mutually antagonistic governments can be authoritarians at the same time, and it's perfectly valid to criticize both.

    So your long list of facts, while they would be relevant as a top-level comment had you framed them as "reasons why we're protesting," are really just a thinly-veiled red herring that you're attempting to use to defend someone who's attempting to derail conversation about the protest movement.

    Are you in, or in the way?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I focus on the devil I know... I mean the left is still on its knees and is yet to learn how to walk. Shorthand: Get your house in order. ..... israel is commiting a genocide but chynah so mean. 🙁💧 I am so ready to go to CHINA

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Necroposting to resurrect a dead argument that was bad-faith derailing from the start?

    You're on a post that's literally about people protesting the US government, so I don't see why you feel the need to rush in and defend China.

    Multiple state actors can be repressive, by the way. Go ask anyone in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Philippines, Tibet, Xinjiang, or hell even Vietnam what they think of the PRC.

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  • [+] -49 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Its the fragile little bird again. Hows that boot taste?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Explain why you think a general strike is neutering workers?

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  • [+] -11 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    A 1 day event is not a general strike, it's a performance

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A sustained general strike requires widespread strong unions with the ability to keep workers paid and fed for the whole duration of the strike. It's not something you can just decide to do on a whim, it requires years of preparation by a disciplined labor movement that has already trained those muscles. This 1 day strike isn't ground-shattering, but it's a start.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    While you are correct, we cannot skip steps in developing class consciousness. A 1 day general strike is better than a 0 day general strike. A 2 day strike is better than a 1 day.

    You leftist ultras was to forsake progress in the name of idealism.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Damn dude, you ever reconsider a position after being ratio-ed that hard?

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    I hope this is the tip of the iceberg for what's to come.

    Seize your country back!!

    The first step is always the hardest after decades of oppression and misinformation!

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    I'm glad that after Minnesota general strikes are on the table again. Especially now that we're bringing May Day back.

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  • [–] 57 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    We need to shut it all down for weeks before they realize we’re serious. But to foster change we’d have to shut it down for months.

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  • [–] 56 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. It's cliché, but true and applies here.

    "One day at a time" works for people who are recovering from addiction to substances. Why couldn't it help people recover from addiction to capitalism? Consumption is consumption.

    "Just for today, I won't drink alcohol" can easily become "Just for today, I won't consume corporate products", "Just for today, I'll hold the picket line", "Just for today, I'll tighten my belt and live off bare essentials."

    One day gives people a taste of what's possible without being a major deterrent or barrier to folks who can't afford to miss work for a week or a month. If it's successful, it demonstrates proof of concept and makes similar future actions more likely. It also shows the structures of power what we're capable of, puts them off balance a bit, and builds worker power.

    People saying "what we really need is ______" are a bane to the movement that's happening. I'm not saying you're doing it on purpose, but don't fall for that rhetoric. A lot of it is coming from plants attempting to discredit and derail the movement.

    Actions being done now are always more effective than hypothetical actions that "should be done," and they build towards greater action. Don't expect immediate perfection, because you'll always be disappointed. It's necessary to start somewhere, and this is a great place to start. If you want to be part of it, grab ahold and run with it. Otherwise, stay out of the way, and above all don't cross the picket line.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    “Just for today, I won’t drink alcohol” can easily become “Just for today, I won’t consume corporate products”,

    One-day boycotts don't work. The corporate world knows it and completely ignores them.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    You're completely misunderstanding "just for today..."

    It doesn't mean "I'll have a drink tomorrow."

    It's about atomizing the process of sobriety. "Today, I won't have a drink." That's all you need to focus on, because tomorrow is tomorrow.

    Then tomorrow comes, and you tell yourself "Today, I won't have a drink." Repeat...

    Eventually it becomes second nature. But when you're first starting sobriety "Never drink again for the rest of my life" sounds like a huge hurdle. "Go a whole year without drinking" sounds like a huge hurdle. "Go a month without drinking" or even "Go a week without drinking" sound like huge hurdles.

    Even "Go a day without drinking" is a huge hurdle for someone who's been drinking every day for years. But it's more manageable. And at the end of each day, you can say you accomplished your goal. Every day, it gets a little easier.

    That's what I meant when I said we can apply it to overcoming our addictions to capitalist consumption habits. And I stand by it.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    You're so useless. In every thread all you have to offer is "that won't work". Never giving anything constructive or helpful. Just whinging like a bairn.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Well, feel free to do useless things that you think will work. I'm not stopping you, just pointing out that you'll waste your time.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    That's an opinion piece that literally says "does it work? Probably not" with nothing else to back the statement.

    We have to start somewhere. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough. It starts with one day, then we try 2 or more. We can start with one day and the momentum can build and people can keep going.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    That's why a Government Shutdown makes much more sense. Europeans are always pushing us for a General Strike, but that won't work here. For one thing, many employers will just fire people for not showing up that day. The rest will just dock their pay. In Europe, workers have protections, unions, and worker friendly governments. We have none of that here.

    Whatever economic impact will be minimal. Whatever people didn't buy that day, they'll buy the next.

    A General Strike hurts us, and is intended to make the government feel empathy for us, and give us what we want. The MAGA government won't budge after weeks of a government shutdown, you think they'll budge after a General Strike of ONE DAY?

    IN America, we have a mechanism that European nations don't have - we can literally turn off the government a spigot, and EVERYTHING comes to a halt very quickly. We keep going to work, collecting our paychecks, stimulating the economy, but they stop their atrocities, for the most part.

    We can do that, Europe can't. General Strikes will work for them, they won't work for us. Why hurt ourselves, when we can hurt those who are causing the problems?

    MAGA isn't going to act to alleviate our pain, exactly the opposite. They are sadistic, if they see someone in pain, their very first impulse is to increase that pain.

    But inflict pain on them, and they scream like the cowardly little weenies they are. And nothing is more painful to these corrupt traitors that taking away their money. Let's make them scream real loud.

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's why nothing will change.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    we're going into summer. the time to plan and plant your garden is immediately. if you are serious about a general strike, goodbye grass hello garden. your entire yard. You're Going To Be Living Off That Shit. I don't want to be shilling a textbook, but i have a friend who wrote one in the 90s for explicitly that thing. There's probably something more recent, but i like to support my friend.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    Now you're talking

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    It doesn't say which unions have signed onto this "General Strike." Do they even plan on involving the unions in this? -is it like last time when they said they were having a "General Strike" but it wasn't a real General Strike?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    It's illegal for unions to coordinate a general strike. If they were signed on they would be pretty careful about it. That's why the UAW president was making waves by suggesting that everyone set their contracts to end on the same date.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    They made mention of how the next protest would require action at No Kings this weekend. I was sincerely hoping this might be the case. It felt like enough people are showing up for these that action just might be possible.

    I don’t know, but it was inspiring to see so many people, and the conversations going on are much more targeted and direct. I don’t have much faith left, but here’s hoping; I’ll do my part..

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    oh now we are talking. and it’s for more then one day and with a list of demands yes?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Stay safe out there folks!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Much as I like this idea, it's not going to catch on. You think the average non-union retail or office worker will risk being fired? We are locked into the system we have, and sadly, that's that. Unless and until a plurality of workers lose the entire life they have.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Without existing strong organization you're probably right, but it's more likely that the wheels will come off and a general strike would happen naturally with rising inflation and unemployment.

    The shitter things get, the less tight your social ties need to be for collective action. Everyone's implicitly on the same page when you start missing meals.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, the average commuter will have to lose their house in the burbs (just 50 miles from work), the kid's private school, and the Tundra. When Frank Freeway is living in a rented shipping container and eating slop from the church food bank, MAYBE a few years of that will wake us the fuck up.

    Me? I'm retired. I could lose everything any time.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I’m average. I will.

    Quit thinking like everything has to be 100% successful the first time or it’s a failure. We have been propagandized and beaten down over the course of years to get where we are now, of course it’s going to take more than one try to get this thing together.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago

    Hahahaha I'll believe it when it happens. Americas response has been very lackluster. We well have to start calling the the land of the meek I hope this shatters their cowboy image they have of themselves. And they definitely have to stop calling the French cowards and should be looking at to them for how to protest.

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