“This is not Europe’s war,” the EU tells Washington in a bruising rebuke on Iran even as oil prices rise.

Europe's message to Donald Trump on Monday was clear: We're not helping you secure the Strait of Hormuz.

Foreign ministers from the 27 EU countries gathered in Brussels to discuss the American president’s call for European countries to help secure the narrow waterway, a vital oil shipping channel that Iran has largely blocked in retaliation for U.S. and Israeli airstrikes.

Among the ideas floated was expanding the mandate of the EU’s naval mission — Aspides — to allow European warships to be sent to patrol the strait between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.

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[–] 60 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Week 1: “We won”

Week 2: “We’re winning”

Week 3: “Send help

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Week 4: "It's Biden's fault we are at war with Iran!"

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Kind of. He will say he did this to benefit our allies. Definitely blame Biden, but also our allies and nato. It’s their fault things are a mess cause they aren’t helping.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The only thing the “Allies” (there are none left) and NATO should be “helping” with is unseating the traitors in the White House. They probably would be on board to help with that, actually. But again, at this point everyone of us outside the US is just sort of cringing and trying not to make eye contact anymore.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll look down, and whisper "No".

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    As an American citizen who still believes in the actual Constitution and the values that were enshrined Within I can say that I am perfectly happy with Europe telling us to f*** off.

    Seriously considering becoming a refugee.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    things have got to get really bad for you to consider living in a tent on the border for 6 or more months and running the risk of being sent back due to treaties after those 6 months and having to start over.

    i'm not suggesting they aren't, just, don't flee just because of shit you've seen on the news. flee because of shit you've seen in person.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Operation "Epstien files? Which Epstein files?" is going swimmingly!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    God i hope the fact that they refuse to call this a war ruins his plan of election interference where he claims we can't have elections 'as normal' because 'we're in the middle of a war'. Wartime act to insist on weapons production? Nope, not at war!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Blackmail is literally trumps only card.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I bet Trump wanted Europe to pay for the 3 M$ patriot missiles they would use to shoot down styrofoam drones too.

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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Maybe if he could stop being an irrational cunt for 5 fucking minutes?

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    Gee, the guys he stupidly threatened and bullied a few months ago, don't feel like pulling his ass out of the fire now?

    Hilarious.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There’s just no end game here.

    They’re right, it’s an open ended war, and the only thing that can stop it is the US deciding to stop it.

    And even then, there’s the question of does Iran retaliate with a US retreat (probably no, but after this oil states will be strategically building away from the strait).

    Even if they send war ships, what do they accomplish? Next step is the US will tell them to have courage and buy tons of American missile interceptors and patrol the waters, making European soldiers targets instead of American soldiers.

    Why would the French or Germans want their own soldiers to die for nothing, to shield a country threatening them, and with no ability to influence the end to this (and likely drag it out longer).

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Well, that's the funny part: at this stage the war only really ends if Iran wants it to end.

    If the US stops bombing them they can still keep on blocking passage in the Straight, pounding American bases in the region and attacking Israel - America unilaterally disengaging will only make it easier for Iran since fewer of their missiles and drones will get intercepted.

    Further, America bombing a school full of kids means that Iran has a lot more motivation as well as internal and even external support to extract their pound of flesh from America, Israel and their allies, and all those Golf nations around Iran with American bases in them are the easiest allies of America and Israel to go after and that in turn will keep on having all manner of massive side-effects from keeping oil and gas prices up to even weakening the US Dollar's Reserve Currency status.

    Last but not least, if indeed as some say the US and Israel are running low on interceptors AND if Iran's planning for a war with America also included this factor, then it's quite likelly that we're entering the phase when Iran does the most damage, which would mean that Iran is even less motivated to stop if America disengages now that it can really start hurting their adversaries.

    The shit that Trump and Netanyahu started seems to have gone beyond Kicking A Smaller Kid In The Playground and into Opening Pandora's Box territory.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    If you burned the bridges you don't get to cross back.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Unfortunate headline: blackmail is literally all Trump knows to do.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Someone has got to put trump out to pasture.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    American voters could've but they were like 'meh'.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    We’re beyond voting, im Canadian and this fucker is costing me money. Americans need to grow balls and take that second amendment they’re always insisting they need, and use it

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    As expected this clown is already lashing out to Europe as the little toddler he is. That's a great tactic to get people on your side. I'm glad the rest of the world is moving on without the US and we are better for it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-lashes-us-allies-over-231118174.html

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It's interesting that for years, tankies have been saying that NATO is just a tool of US imperialism. I wonder how they are interpreting this response?

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