"This war has nothing to do with NATO. It's not NATO’s war," Stefan Kornelius, a spokesperson for German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, told reporters in Berlin on Monday. "NATO is a defensive alliance, an alliance for the defense of its territory," he added.

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[+] 274 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 160 points 7 months ago (30 children)

    Good answer. Fuck Benjamin and Donald Ducks war. They don't even know why they did it. NATO is not for undocumented wars.

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  • [–] 68 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    In fairness, they know exactly why they did it:

    For The Idiot: Israel needs our help to stop the 40-something-year-old "imminent" threat of an Iranian nuclear bomb (that was supposedly already stopped earlier last year when we "thoroughly destroyed" thir enrichment labs."

    For Bibi, it's an opportunity to realize Israel's version of manifest destiny, and to kill people he doesn't like. Remember how everyone was all, "Boy I hope W doesn't go nuclear on the middle east" after 9/11? 10/7 has had the same effect on Bibi, except he was predisposed for the merciless violence. He's never seen these adversaries as "people." W rarely thought about them at all.

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  • [+] -20 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This is how you stop nukes

    2015 Iran nuclear deal, Iran agreed not to pursue nuclear weapons and allow continuous monitoring of its compliance in exchange for relief from economic sanctions.

    President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement in 2018. He broke his 2016 campaign promise to renegotiate the agreement.

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  • [+] -23 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Why kill a entire country when removing one guy is enough ? If the trump dictatorship felt Iran would be more open for a cease fire. May be China or Europe can step up and assume the role of mediator when some give trumps surrender to Iran

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Oh wow looking at your other comments are you by chance a teenage male, maybe early 20s? Because you very much read like an angry highschool student with big strong oppions based on very little reading and no concept of strategy.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Damn dude bummer for Israel then. Guess they should have been working to arm locals within Iran to overthrow the IRGC so the Iranian people could be free of their own tyranny. Oh wait I forgot. If they did that and no religious zealots were in charge, odds are they’d stop funding Hamas and other groups for proxies and Bibi wouldn’t have a boogy man anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    There was this guy called Ayatollah Khamenei who was the religious leader of Iran and opposed the development of nuclear weapons. Wonder what happened to him.

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  • [+] -3 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    because histotically deposing a government and then just leaving the country in chaos tends to give said country democracy?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Ah. You don't know about the Mossad CIA operation that started in the 80s and is still running today. You see Epstein and Maxwell gathered blackmail on the most rich in powerful people in the world. Israel is now using that blackmail trove and intelligence gathered from years of selling governments software to expand Israel into "Greater Israel".

    Did you also miss Ghislaine being invite on the 9/11 shadow council?

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  • [+] -20 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    NATO is not for undocumented wars.

    Glances at the last 80 years of NATO history

    :-/

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    There is a huge difference though. No terror attacks on USA, they already said they "nuked them back to zero" with the other operation. They couldn't define what the end-goal is for operation fury.

    They don't even agree on why they do this internally. And now they want other states to join in on a war happened because of Trumps small dick. I say fuck no. Let him have the consequences of this retarded administration for once. Let him dig his own grave.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    No terror attacks on USA

    You just have to pretend Israel is part of the United States

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They are not, and isn't a part of NATO

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago

    The United States is absolutely part of NATO.

    And Israel functions as a forward operating base, from which European military powers can control the Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean. It's fundamental to the Western allied control of North Africa and the Middle East, even before you get into its function as a money laundering outfit and testing bed for military technology and policing strategy.

    European leadership has a closer relationship with Israeli military than Turkish military, as a point of comparison.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Serbia never attacked the US either.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Clearly the world should have let Serbia continue it's genocide. /S

    People bitch when NATO stops a genocide and people bitch when NATO doesn't.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    UN exists for that purpose, NATO does not exist for that purpose.

    Tbf I don't remember many occasions in which people were complaining because NATO should have entered a conflict to stop a genocide.

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  • [+] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Serbia should have been allowed to genocide more Muslim Bosnians and Albanians.

    The NATO intervention killed and displaced more civilians than the Bosnian genocide.

    The Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic had shown his ruthlessness earlier in Bosnia, and now, facing armed attack from Kosovo nationalists, attacked Kosovo, killing perhaps 2,000 people and causing several hundred thousand to become refugees.

    An international gathering in Rambouillet, France, was supposed to try to solve the problem diplomatically. But it presented terms to Yugoslavia that seemed certain to be rejected: NATO control of all of Kosovo, and NATO military occupation of the rest of Yugoslavia. On March 23, 1999, the Serbian National Assembly responded with a counterproposal, rejecting NATO occupation and calling for negotiations leading “toward the reaching of a political agreement on a wide-ranging autonomy for Kosovo. . . . ” The Serbian proposal was ignored, and was not reported in the major newspapers of the United States

    The following day, NATO forces (meaning mostly U.S. forces) began the bombing of Yugoslavia. Presumably, the bombing was to stop the “ethnic cleansing” of Kosovo, that is, the forcing of Albanians out of the province by death or intimidation. But after two weeks of bombing, the New York Times reported (April 5, 1999) that “more than 350,000 have left Kosovo since March 24.” Two months later, with the bombing still going on, the figure had risen to over 800,000. The bombing of Yugoslavia, including the capital city of Belgrade, apparently intended to unseat Milosevic, led to an untold number of civilian casualties.

    From the People's History of the United States, Chapter 24

    Also Ghadaffi should have been allowed to butcher his population.

    Again, the French airforce and subsequent NATO occupation has killed an order of magnitude more in the last decade than Ghadaffi managed in his entire time in office.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Orders of magnitude means to the power of 10, you know that right 😂 It's between 2000 and 5000

    Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?

    "But but NATO, the west..." 💩

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    😂 It’s between 2000 and 5000

    The displaced are between 200,000 and 800,000.

    Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?

    When the aggressor is Russian or Chinese.

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  • [–] 77 points 7 months ago

    "but...but..usually when I fuck things up someone sorts it out for me. Why won't you fix my massive fuck up?"

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    It feels a lot like Trump shits and then asks us to wipe his ass clean.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The response from everyone else should be, "Why would we join a war that's already been won?"

    Give him his own bloviating bullshit back, served up nice and cold.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Please, sleep alone in the bed you shat in.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For now, I'd dare a bet on Merz getting back to sucking corpo cock

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Are we going have that brain-dead 'freedom' fries bullshit again? Is this really going to be a repeat of 2003 Iraq? Seeing the limitless supply of brain rot in the US, probably we will.

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    [–] 39 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    But not out of principle ... our ships just don't go that far without breaking down!

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    lol is that true? are you german?

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    It is a bit of a meme in germany that our military equipment suffers from a lack of maintenance. Also there were a bunch of cases of new weapons systems just failing catastrophically or having huge security issues.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    My country is a bit towards the south and nobody really knows how our ships still manage to float.

    We have ships where the entire navigation suite has been replaced with a commercial GPS.

    The guns are fired... Every now and then. Sparingly. We still have ammunition from the 70's in stock. Some times we even manage to misplace equipment.

    Yet somehow we're considered as the reliable ally, although a bit... wierd.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    We have ships where the entire navigation suite has been replaced with a commercial GPS.

    Honestly, that'll do just fine in 90% of cases.

    Only issues are:

    • What do you do if some country has maliciously turned off or disabled the GPS satellites?

    • The commercial GPS unit probably isn't very EMP-resistant, so it might quickly be disabled if EMPs start going off all over the place ... as would happen in a nuclear war.

    But as long as you're not fighting anybody capable of turning the entire GPS system off and the war hasn't gone nuclear, it should probably be fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sincerely? I'd expect to see astrolabes or sextants being pulled from storage.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I like how Trump's response to this is a petulant "well we don't need you anyway, so there!"

    Europe needs to seriously up it's arms manufacturing though.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    "Get Ze fucked"

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    In the words of Knorkator

    Geh aus dem Weg, du Arschgesicht

    Eh mann, du stinkst nach Klo

    Gib lieber auf, das schaffst du nicht

    Und nun zurück in den Zoo

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Knorkator... That's a name I haven't heard for a loooong time and today I learned that they are back from their creative break... Since 2010 🤣

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Berlin said NEIN!

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  • [+] -11 points 7 months ago

    Except for the occasional humanitarian bombing.

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