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[–] 89 points 7 months ago (18 children)

Debian is 32 years old. Arch is 24 years old. Gentoo is 23 years old. Alpine is 20 years old.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    In fact all major "corp distros" are based on community distros, for instance Ubuntu on Debian. If Debian ceased to exist, Ubuntu would as well.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What are fedora and opensuse based on?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Fedora is not "corp", it's a community project; Red Hat is the "corp" version based on it.

    I don't know about OpenSUSE that well, but it also seems to be a community-developed distro.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Same, never saw either a server or a desktop running alpine.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Most ubiquity equipment is alpine I believe

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    Mid-range networking equiptment common in higher end homelabs or small/medium enterprises.

    Doesnt compete with fancier Cisco gear, but has an easy to use interface that can scale fairly well.

    Though like most networking equiptment the hardware is dirt cheap, so Alpine's lightweight base fits it well.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    or do they often fail and vanish?

    No. Niche, hipster, "latest hotness" distros sometimes vanish. Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Kali, Qubes, Mint are all examples of community maintained distros that have been around for a long time.

    Since you're looking for "stability" highly recommend Mint.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    And with community maintained distros like Debian and Fedora, you kinda get the best of both worlds. You have a mostly community distro that doesn't have corporate interests pushed on it, but have a corporation paying developers to work on it because it's in their interest to.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago

    Pretty much all 'major' distributions (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, openSuse...) have 20+ years on their belt and none of those are not likely to go away any time soon. Some niche variants of those might vanish, but the main distributions will be there.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    You've got that backwards. Community distros are more likely to be stable than corporate ones.

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 7 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago*

    Corporations can go out of business, have an incentive to enshittify, etc. Communities/non-profit foundations generally don't.

    The only way a community project can cease to be "stable" (in the "not going away" sense you're using it) is if literally nobody competent cares enough to maintain it anymore, and if that's the case, was anything of value really lost?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Like when they force you to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, but your computer isn't powerful enough to run the latter.

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  • [+] [S] -1 points 7 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I don't run Windows at all. I'm probably not up to date on the latest developments, the last time I checked, there was a compatibility check for your hardware. Anyway, it seems strange to me that Windows would run fast on an old machine—are you sure about that?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Little known fact is that a lot of computers that ran/run Windows 10 is not supported by Windows 10 (check supported CPUs for Windows 10). The difference is that Windows 10 doesn’t actively block you from installing it.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    Debian, arch the closest are that u want

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    You seem to have the false notion that corporate distros are safe (or something). But, that's not true. Look e.g. at the demise of Clear Linux OS.

    For (perhaps) a better assessment on whether a distro is well-established^[I.e. that it will not cease existing overnight.] or not, consider looking at the following factors:

    • How long does it exist? Like, if it's old enough to drink, then that's definitely a good indication.
    • How strong is its community? If there are literally millions of users, many of which actively contribute, then that's definitely a good thing.
    • How active is its development? The Linux landscape is constantly evolving. Hence, adopting changes (or, at least, enabling them) is somewhat to be expected.
    • Does it serve a distinct raison d'être? It simply has to offer a strong justification for its existence.
    • Does it have any strong dependencies/contingencies? Here, a lack thereof is actually what's good.

    TL;DR: If you want to be absolutely safe, then I'd recommend Arch, Debian or Gentoo.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    The smaller/newer distros have no evidence of staying around for years, so it's hard to judge whether they'll be around in another couple years. Distros like Bazzite are definitely interesting, but you can't reliably predict whether it'll get updates in 10 years. There are stable community-led distros that have been around for a long time, like Debian.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    You're missing the point of Linux. Generally, gnu/ Linux is a community based ecosystem across the board. Most of the software, most of the distros and most of the code you will use and encounter using any Linux distro will be community based. That's what gives Linux its advantage. The community can vet and improve any piece of code to improve the system for everybody.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Depends really. Small community distros serve a purpose as they either provide some niche configurations or pre-installed software that major distros don't, or they are made because they are trying to fork a major distros that is becoming too corporate with risk of becoming less open source. Now within community distros there are reputations. Debian is famously a community driven distro that hundreds of other distros are based on, and so is arch. They are pretty stable and will last more and more. Also, corporate distro doesn't guarantee longevity or stability either, because there are several corporate projects that get abandoned and are picked up by communities.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I would say that a large community distro has most longevity of all variants. It doesn't matter if some leave, others will join. It also doesn't matter that the distro ain't making profit, because it isn't a company.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    gentoo, slackware, debian etc all seem ultra stable

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    For cases where you just want to install it once and then update only once a month or even a couple months, and not worry about the distro not being maintained, I'd highly recommend installing Debian. You will eventually have to reinstall years down the line when a new major release happens, but it is many many years down the line and even that can be put off for quite a long time. The only drawback is that the latest releases of the software you like aren't always available in the official repos, as Debian's MO is to vet every package for stability before releasing it via their repos.

    If you want a slightly less stable distro that has almost all the packages in the world and is up to date and is going to be around for a long time, go with Arch Linux. It's a rolling release model so packages are updated as soon as they are made available by the distribution maintainers. Things do break occassionally on Arch and a familiarity with the command line and where to go research/ask questions (the Arch Wiki and Arch Linux Forums) is very much needed in those situations. But Arch is very widely used and established nowadays and is a fine option if you're okay with the rare package that breaks.

    Gentoo is a great option if you simply want to customize every aspect of your system, but it's considered an "advanced" distro and usually some familiarity with a different distro is recommended before using Gentoo, though some do end up using Gentoo as their first and only Linux distro. Gentoo, like Arch, is rolling release. Unlike Arch and Debian, packages are compiled from source, giving you granular control over which features of every piece of software you want to have and the ability to omit those features you don't want/need. Gentoo is as stable as you make it. Like Arch and Debian, Gentoo isn't going anywhere. That said, imho, Gentoo requires more maintenance than Arch or Debian, and potentially a little bit more knowledge of Operating Systems.

    Other distributions like OpenSuse and Slackware are fine options as well as they have a very long established history in the Linux Distro ecosystem, but I am unfamiliar with them, so will leave it to others to make their comments/recommendations regarding them.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Any distro is stable as long as you don't screw something up.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Community distros can absolutely be stable long-term. Some concrete examples:

    Community distros that have lasted 20+ years:

    • Debian (1993) — The gold standard. Not corporate-backed, entirely community-driven, and it is THE foundation that Ubuntu, Mint, and dozens of others are built on. If Debian ever disappeared, we would have way bigger problems.
    • Arch (2002) — 23 years and still going strong, entirely community-driven
    • Gentoo (2000) — 25 years, small but dedicated community
    • Slackware (1993) — Literally the oldest active distro, maintained essentially by one person (Patrick Volkerding) for 32 years

    Corporate distros that actually died or pivoted:

    • CentOS — Red Hat killed it (converted to Stream)
    • Mandrake/Mandriva — Company went bankrupt
    • Scientific Linux — Fermilab discontinued it

    The takeaway: corporate backing is not a guarantee of stability. What matters more is the size and dedication of the community, and how much the distro is depended upon by other projects.

    For your situation, Debian Stable is probably the safest bet. It is conservative, well-tested, and has the largest community behind it. You can run the same Debian install for a decade with just dist-upgrades.

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