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[–] 122 points 7 months ago (3 children)

says linux is bad but uses the world-wide web 🤭

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (29 children)

    Who says linux is bad? At worst people say it's too hard for them to use at home, but i never heard someone say it's bad.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I’ve heard people make the argument that Linux is bad because it’s too hard to use.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    First inpressions matter. The thing most people want operating systems to do is get out of the way. And while using Linux is great (so long as your software supports it), setting it up is not seamless. If you want to install Linux, new users have to spend 8 hours surfing 20 boards to be told 30 different answers about which distro to use. And that's before you even get started.

    If you want to install Windows, you just fucking install Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's bad to recommend to less tech-literate people. It's bad to force on someone in general.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Usually people who installed it yesterday and are mad it doesn’t behave exactly like the OS they’ve been using for the last 20 years (which they also had to learn how to use)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    TBF it does have a glaring lack of automation for way too much of the basics. Even hand holding distros like Mint will have you using the terminal for something windows just does with a double click.

    FTR I prefer Linux over Windows but I still lose it every time installation instructions for some app have 4 pages of commands for the CLI instead of just running an installer that automates the BS.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe 10 years ago, but for me installing anything is done with a single command (pacman or yay)

    Are you using some sort of niche software?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Every piece of software that doesn't come with the default repositories, which in many distros includes the 'niche' software of vidcard drivers. Samba network sharing v1, disabled in both Windows and Linux, is a simple double click of the app feature to reenable in Windows. In Linux, you have to change entries in at least 2 files, assuming you can find correct instructions in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I mean you have to find those check boxes in Windows too.

    I do think some things in Linux are still not super user friendly, but for example installing apps is much better. Sure something may not be in the repo, even if some distros have impressively vast ones, but even that is easily solved with flatpak and appimage nowadays.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Samba v1 has been disabled by default for years in Windows, because of security concerns. If m$ is even warning against using it, you probably shouldn't use it.

    Enabling something that's deprecated as fuck is not a very good example.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Typical Linux distributions are almost objectively harder to use than Android. I'd be surprised if anyone really disagrees with this. When someone complains about Linux being hard to use, it's the POSIX-based Linux distributions that must support arbitrary hardware (often poorly so) that they refer to. I don't need to care about installing NVidia drivers and whether they're compatible with EFI handover when I buy an Android phone.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Typical Linux distributions are almost objectively harder to use than Android

    So are Windows and macOS.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    You do need to worry about whether or not your phone is locked to a specific carrier and if its the carrier you want to use the phone with. or, if its a phone you want to bring to another network, you have to figure our if you need to argue with your current carrier to get it unlocked.

    To piggyback off this, Windows is also "harder" than Android. You need to reinstall Windows due to an update fuckup? You tried building your own PC? Well, you either fork.over $120 for an installation media, or you have to create your own, then learn how to boot into the BIOS to boot from that media, then you need to scour the internet for not only your Nvidia driver, but your audio driver, WiFi driver, integrated graphics driver (if you have and want to use an IGPU) and possibly motherboard drivers if your mobo has some odd implementation that requires a driver for USB 3.1 to work properly.

    None of these operating systems are "harder" than another. You are just used to one over the other. You don't use your automatic transmission car skills trying to drive a manual transmission, unless your goal is to crash and burn.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You do need to worry about whether or not your phone is locked to a specific carrier and if its the carrier you want to use the phone with

    Laughs in Canadian

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)
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    massgrave proves my point. The user has to go out of their way to find and run that script.

    Linux would just work ootb. No activation needed. Ergo; Linux is easier than Windows.

    It's poor form to say an apple tastes worse than an orange because its purely opinion. Theres no fact. I was trying to show the original reply is nonsensical, because for some, Android is harder than Linux. Android may not be what someone is used to.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's not that Linux is bad, it's the fans of it that are annoying

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Android has to be the worst version of Linux there is

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's so fucking bad. It's actually worse than Windows.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    “Linux is superior, i am in full control and free to use my device however”

    has an iphone

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It's not like there are actual Linux alternatives on the phone market

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    PostmarketOS is an Alpine distro packaged as a mobile OS. Full phat Linux on a smart phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah there are some, Jolla is another, but I already know I will lose all my banking and payment apps and will end up still having to use an android in addition.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    linux sucks because i was promsed a cute penguin but instead got some blue triangle????

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    You got a blue triangle?

    I got a blue butthole

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Android is hardly linux and is also bad.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    But Android is a Linux... Not GNU/Linux, but neither is Alpine.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And OSX is a BSD but nobody i ntheir right mind would consider it a BSD distro.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    OSX is UNIX, built on BSD foundations but not BSD.

    Android on the other hand IS Linux, and is distributed. So I say, it's a Linux distribution.

    All other things that people mention as qualifying for a Linux distro are either GNU libs (which alpine doesn't have) or POSIX/UNIX way of doing things, which would disqualify Android from being POSIX compliant but not from being a Linux distro.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Says won't use anything made by Linus Torvalds. Uses Git.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    "Linux is bad", because it doesn't provide have data collection and transfer to shady corporations with large PR umbrellas, out of the box.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Linux is BAD - Best Android Dependency.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (12 children)

    Android comes pre-installed on my device, with automatic security updates and manufacturer support for the likely lifetime of the device.

    I'd definitely use a Linux PC if it came out of the box ready to go like that.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    I mean, it doesn't magically appear on the device. You pay for the installation, it's just included in the price of the device (with Windows you also pay for the license key, by the way). There are companies that'll install Linux for you. Hell, pay me $30 and cover shipping, I'll gladly set you up with, I don't know, Fedora and even add a timer with notifications that'll nag you about package updates, just like Android does.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I know that, the manufacturer has already installed the OS etc.

    What I want is a warranty and guaranteed manufacturer support, rather than me needing to figure out how to fix it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Outside of specialized B2B software, I never met a tech rep that would be helpful with an issue. Do you actually have experience where you'd call Google/Apple/Microslop and get help with their software? In Linux world, with many programs I can just go and nag the actual developer of the thing, which often works wonders.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    with Windows you also pay for the license key, by the way

    Your computer's price is often subsidized by the fact that the manufacturer has an agreement with Microslop to preinstall Windows on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Excuse me, they do what now? Do you have a source on this? Because I know of this little article, but that was quite a long time ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I don't think nowadays windows is subsidized. Sure, some manufacturers may recoup part of, or all the cost by pre installing crap ware, but those that allow choosing your OS usually give you a discount for removing Windows.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Did phone manufacturer finally decide to keep supporting their models after the first year/couple of years? Or did the "likely lifetime" of a smartphone dropped below that in the meantime?

    If anything, my experience with "manufacturer support" on android isn't particularly stellar, with the only outlier being my current Samsung XCover, which is kinda cheating due to the thing being a rugged phone targeting companies and not the average joe, so the thing is built to last, both hardware and software side.

    On the other hand you do have a couple (maybe even three!) companies that offer linux pre-installed on their machines.

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