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[–] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

Depends really on the games and software you require.

For games, check:

In general, indies and singleplayer games generally work fine. Battlefield/Fortnite/etc hugely popular multiplayer stuff with kernel-level anticheats generally doesn't.

I've only ever set up few printers to work on linux, and they've been bigger office printers. And they've all worked with minimal effort. Absolutely no idea about home printers.

edit: as for windows software support, generally win-apps run on wine. Some really well, some with issues, and then some just dont. Afaik eg. ancient versions of Photoshop run, more recent ones don't.

I run a windows version of a music software (renoise) because my effects/instruments have only windows versions. It works, but performance isn't quite as good as it was on actual windows.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    I've only ever set up few printers to work on linux, and they've been bigger office printers. And they've all worked with minimal effort. Absolutely no idea about home printers.

    Most (all?) printers and scanners released in past decade and some supports driverless printing and scanning. As long as you have printing related systems installed on your computer, most printers should be just plug and play. Especially those that are connected over network.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Absolutely no idea about home printers.

    I have 2, a samsung and a canon :3 both work OOTB. Can't speak on HP printers, but chances are OP can find that with a web search of the model

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  • [+] [S] 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    The daw/music software? Just wine. used wine to install the app & vst plugins, then just using the "start menu" shortcut for the app to run it. I did have to use winetricks to install dxvk on the prefix (without it, some plugin ui's did not work properly), but after that it works fine.

    as for "does it run good" - well enough for me. Some of the guitar/bass amps and instruments I use seem to use noticeably more cpu than on windows

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know, I don't play cod. See the links from previous replies for that.

    as for should you get linux, only you can answer that once you've done the research

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    You lose:

    • Your corporate shackles

    You gain:

    • Limitless bragging rights
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You loose battery life if on a laptop. Battery life is not as good as on windows. And Apple laptops have insane battery life. I wish ARM laptops where a thing for Linux.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago*

    I have to input my experience here.

    On what basis are you saying your batter life is less on linux? Do you use power profiles? Which distros you tried? And what kind of laptop is it?(processor is H/U/HS? Have dGPU?)

    For me battery life is far better on linux than on windows. On linux(Fedora, with KDE), with balanced or power saving mode, doing the most basic stuff(say opened a pdf document and a browser and looking at it, without much interaction) my laptop, with dGPU and H processor takes like 7watts, giving more than 7hrs batter life for my 51Wh battery.

    Windows on the other hand, without any tasks, only settings app open, showed less than 2 hours battery remaining at 80% charge. I didn't test how long it takes to drain that much battery explivitly, but I belive this number is based on power usage in watts. Which tells me it is using more than 20W power. The reviews for my laptop before buying also said they get around 4 hours in medium usage.

    I suspect that previously, the time before power profiles daemon, everything is by default in performance mode because it was aiming PCs, but now it goes so low with power saving modes. The 20W in windows is probably bloatware running in background.

    Now, recently I came to know you can "remove" pci devices in linux so that power gets disconnected from the dGPU. Now whenever i use without it plugged in, i use it by removing gpu and it runs in 3.6-4.2W at idle(i.e, open pdf without touching anything, or using vim and compiler in a terminal) which gives me 12 hours of battery life atleast! Theese numbers are unimaginable in windows for my gaming laptop.

    This is not just one exception, since my only friend who use linux also reported the same behavior. Windows uses wayyy more battery than linux. And he was even comparing power saving mode in windows vs perdormance mode in linux and linus still wins by 3-4 watts.

    I wish more people check theese, since I belived "linux has bad battery life" argument beforehand and only when I compare with windows i found i am gaining a lot of battery life on linux

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree with this in general. But, I'd like to add that well-supported hardware (like a ThinkPad) may do equally well on Linux and perhaps even better.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Ciao, first of all, there are games that use kernel-level anti-cheat software that will not work. The good news is that many companies, seeing the growth of the Linux market, are taking remedial action. For example, EA recently announced that it will adapt its anti-cheat software for Linux. For pirated games, you can install fit-girl with bottles and use bottles to run the games as well. Technically, they should work even after years, because bottles creates a container with all the dependencies it needs to run and is isolated from the rest of the OS. It probably won't be easy to learn how to use Linux tools right away, but it's mostly a matter of habit, so first of all, be patient if some things don't work right away. If you have problems, you can always ask the community. For simpler problems, AI can also be useful.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    If you are invested in Windows software... don't run Linux. Being able to run Windows software is like a "patch" to get you by until you find a Linux equivalent. Pretending you can have your cake and eat it too will just leave you disappointed.

    Linux has amazing software... but in most cases it feels very different from Windows. If you learn why it is different then you may start to appreciate Linux for what it gives you rather than what it takes from you.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    As someone with MSI gf72 who switched last year with similar use cases and zero prior experience with Linux:

    I installed EndeavourOS after reading some recommendations here since its supposed to work good for games and daily use. It's Arch so I approached it as a challenge but It turned out to be quite effortless from the start. I dual booted it for a few months without issues until Windows update broke my bootloader. After that I did a clean Linux install and never looked back. It's been rock solid ever since.

    I have yet to find a game which doesn't run either in Bottles or Lutris. Some installers have their quirks but it's manageable. I only play single player games though.

    HP driver for Linux runs my printer without any fiddling from my side.

    I don't get into Command Line much but it's awesome - installing packages and updating the whole system with a simple command feels like magic. It's actually much less hassle than Windows.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    im currently using windows 11 on msi gf63 laptop. if i used linux i would use ubuntu,bec it seems like the easiest thing.

    Ubuntu is popular but I wouldn't necessarily say easiest. Something like Linux Mint would probably be simpler.

    i game,i use brave browser,i pirate games and software. i also like that my hoarded pirated binaries of games and software will work even years later on windows without too much effort.

    My child, you've come home.

    i use an hp printer,and need to be able to use it on linux.

    Stop using HP printers. That being said if it was made in the last 5 years it'll probably work on Linux out of the box.

    i expect to be able to use the laptop and not think about the os too much,meaning i wont distro hop or try to customize it too much. im fine with the terminal,my goal of using linux is being far from malware.

    I'm a big fan of immutable distros like Bazzite and Bluefin. They're so stable they're almost boring. As far as malware goes I would say standard rules apply: scan random binaries before execution, run normal operations as non-root/unprivileged users, patch regularly.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    You try it and see if it fits you. This is not a religion. You use what works for you.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The Linux onboard ramp is as shallow as it has ever been. Just pick up a usb stick, shove a Linux distro on it and boot it on your PC or on an older machine you don't use anymore. Use it to do what you do usually. Things will be different. Resist the urge to shove random software from the net in it to solve problems. This is not windows. Don't reinstall even if you fuck up your system (and you will, multiple times). Ask questions and fix it yourself. Learn. Level up. Use the huge software repositories that are built in the system. Use flatpaks for the other stuff. Persist. Things will eventually click. One day you will feel at home. Then you have won.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Same with religions actually.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Nobody's ever going to start a war in the middle east to murder a bunch of people because they think that'll make Tux return.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    As a first step, see if you can get by by just using FOSS software on Windows. If you can, then you will lose nothing, swapping your "app launcher" is inconsequential if the programs you use are the same.

    Wine/Proton are very good when it comes to game support, so you should be alright there. You can always check protondb and winehq to confirm the support status of the game you want.

    I recommend a boring and stable distro like LinuxMint. It is based on Ubuntu but even better imho.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    You would rid yourself of the Windows virus you probably currently have on your computer.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    You would lose all the worthless proprietary software that you're hoarding for no reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    your chains, your freedom

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)
    1. Ubuntu is a great place to start! You might also look at Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop or Pop_OS. All 3 are great for beginners and have lasted me since the time of Win Vista. I never felt that I out grew them.

    2. Gaming: use the other links in this post to see if they work. Typically, the older the game, the better chance you can get it to work. Don’t be afraid of following tutorials - tweaking and trying things, just be patient, read it once all the way through before you do it, and google what you don’t understand. It’ll take time but I’ve always felt it’s worth it.

    3. Brave, yup native linux version. Some might suggest going to firefox or using vivaldi, but you do you Boo - 0 judgement space. (Political reasons - the Brave CEO is a cryptobro, etc)

    4. Ahoy matey, welcome aboarrrd. Get yourself a good vpn service, stick to the major distros, and you’ll probably be right at home.

    5. More than likely, your printer will just work. That easy. I’ve had several printers and scanners, hated them all, no end of troubles with mac and windows - not at all with linux in the last 15 years. The man that does most of the work for linux printing is a gawt damn saint.

    6. You should be right at home in Ubuntu. Gnome does a decent job of getting out of your way once you get used to it. Keep your guard up, I would assume windows malware might still be able to run in wine and it def will in a vm.

    Bottom line is you can trust Linux. The learning curve is worth not having an adversarial relationship with your computer.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Make sure to use timeshift or equivalent(system backup and restore), before you mess with any files backup your system, do what you need and if you mess up restore the image and try again, saved me and my non tech gf a few times. Since you are looking at Ubuntu (Gnome DE) you may like Kubuntu a little better (KDE DE). Test the distros before you blow up your current setup to ensure hardware compatibility. Disable or try not to use snaps (some/all of your preinstalled user apps are going to be snaps), setup flatpak and set that as default (I found snaps to be... slightly problematic, where the flatpaks seem to work well. Sandbox is great).

    Try to go in steps if possible to iron out issues before a full commitment, nothing worse than being stuck with no other option. Lutris is another wine project that is a great help, especially with their user submitted scripts to install games through a GUI.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The best way to go into it is to think of it as learning a new skill. Some things are done differently, some things may require a bit more setup the first time you do them, but once you have your system where you like it, it should be possible to use without thinking about it too much.

    Printers generally work fine in Linux. This is one area where Linux does surprisingly well.

    For all the games, I'm not sure. They may just work with Wine or Proton, but it is far from guaranteed. I have had good results running even quite old games from the late '90s through platforms like GoG, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    For your printer question, you should be able to boot off of a USB and test that there, I think.

    Some Linux USB images don't have everything installed (so the iso isn't super large), but hopefully they should have the printer stuff installed.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The transition won't be painless. You're going to have to learn new things, especially if you're familiar with the windows file system and how to work within that.

    Linux doesn't use "drive letters" for mount points, so you'll have to learn that.

    Many games through steam or other game managers are just as easy if not easier than in Windows. Some are more challenging.

    If you're tired enough of Windows that you're willing to push through some discomfort and new learning, then it's time.

    Once you get to know the distro you choose (Ubuntu is fine), you'll just work, and it won't get in your way.

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    Pirating games can be kind of a hassle on Linux. You need to install a lot of them in a Windows VM which will take up a lot of additional storage during the installation process. Once it's installed, you can delete the extra copies. Getting the games to work can be a challenge, too. Be prepared to fiddle with a lot of stuff like Lutris and changing settings just to see what works.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I just switched from Win 10 & 11 to Fedora KDE, about 2 weeks ago. Total Linux newbie. Not looking to hack my OS or anything. I'm relatively computer literate, but not at all a programmer. I just want an OS that works and mostly gets out of the way. And obviously doesn't spam me with ads or steal my data or lock me into a subscription.

    So far: Fedora and Plasma have been wonderful. But...

    • Computer feels slightly slower. I'm surprised by this.

    • Fedora or Mint..."it just works" isn't exactly true based on my experience. "Most stuff mostly works okay" is more like it.

    • I had a service keep crashing upon boot: xwaylandvideobridge. Trying to read people's reports and diagnose was frustrating. I ended up removing it (which I had to look up and figure out how to do). Not sure if I broke anything or not, but it seems like things are working.

    • Boot time is definitely slower compared to Win11. Not slow, just slower. Like 35 seconds. I tried to figure this one out using stuff like "systemd-analyze" but that was also annoying / frustrating. Trying to interpret the output and then trying to interpret what the tech people are saying in the forums. Plus my specific output I was getting from those programs didn't look right or make logical sense (like it was adding up a bunch of processes as 11 seconds, but then saying each of those processes itself took 11 seconds, which I guess is possible if they are running simultaneously, but not sure).

    • Weird stuff with youtube / video codecs. Firefox would glitch/hang/freeze playing youtube, especially if god forbid you try and do something radical like scroll back in a video. I seriously thought my video card was self-immolating. I finally just figured this out after much suffering. I think there was something about cisco h.whatever codecs, which I installed. But those are apparently terrible. Then I followed this not newbie-friendly fix after trying to figure out how to remove the Cisco ones: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29. Not sure why this kind of stuff doesn't work out of the box. Having one of the biggest websites glitch using one of the biggest browsers is...not...great.

    • HP printer: finally, some good news! I have an HP laser printer and had to print some stuff off last night (a PDF and Word doc). Plugged in the printer, it recognized it correctly, I added printer, it added itself smoothly. Then ctrl-p worked flawlessly.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Hey, first of all welcome. Now, I've never used Fedora, but I wanted to give you some answers to your points:

    • Computer feels slightly slower. I'm surprised by this.

    I'm also surprised by this, KDE is very snappy so it shouldn't feel like that. I have a gut feeling from this and some other things that you might have an Nvidia card, if so which driver are you using? I know the community shits on the proprietary drivers (with reason) but they provide the best experience (except when they don't).

    • Fedora or Mint..."it just works" isn't exactly true based on my experience. "Most stuff mostly works okay" is more like it.

    That's true, but that's also true for Windows. One thing we forget is the amount of knowledge we have acquired from years of just using the system. To me, every time I have to use Windows it's a chore, nothing works out of the box, everything needs some tweaks, I can't do anything, everything is complicated obtuse and weird. But to you it's not, because you're used to it, and since most stuff works and the ones that don't you are familiar with troubleshooting it feels as if everything works. I feel the same thing happens to us on the Linux side, we say everything works because to us it does (but also you've had some issues I have never experienced before).

    • I had a service keep crashing upon boot: xwaylandvideobridge.

    That is apparently needed to share your screen on certain apps like Discord. From what I read there are reports of people saying this crashes for them and it has to do with them running out of VRAM (which would also account for your computer feeling slower). And apparently there's a bug in newer Nvidia drivers where there's a memory leak that could cause this. If you're using Nvidia proprietary drivers check the version z maybe trying to update to the latest or downgrade to 550 or before it fixes this.

    • Boot time is definitely slower compared to Win11.

    This is because Windows hasn't powered off in a while, it hibernates. Even when you ask it to power off it doesn't, this is a known pain point for Linux because Windows doesn't close NTFS drives properly unless it powers off completely, so you are locked out of your shared drives.

    I never tried to use systemd-analyze, but my guess would be that they're counting the time from when the service starts until it's done, and most of that time is waiting for hardware or other services, so if you have one service that takes 11 second and 5 services that take 0.1 seconds but depends on your first service they would all say 11 seconds. If you send me the output I can try to read the docs and see what I can come up with, a quick look told me that you can also run systemd-analyze critical-chain <unit> to get a dependency list which might give you more insight on all those that took 11 seconds.

    • Weird stuff with youtube / video codecs.

    Never had that issue, never heard of Cisco codecs either. You're correct that this is not newbie friendly, it's related to why GPU drivers are an issue in some distros. Apparently from the link that you send that is a description on how to switch from an open source implementation to one that depends on the proprietary Nvidia drivers. This is the sort of thing your distro should do automatically when you switch to a proprietary drivers for the GPU, and why I like to recommend certain distros that (at least back when I started) took care to do these things when you selected the proprietary driver.

    HP printer

    Yeah, all of my printers have been HP, the most I had to do was install a package for HP (hplip I think it was called) and they have all worked flawlessly.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Thanks for reading through this. No Nvidia card. it's AMD Ryzen 7 CPU with integrated Radeon Vega 10 GPU. 20 GB system memory with 2 GB allocated for the video card. I didn't install anything for graphics, I just let Fedora do its defaults.

    I looked up the codecs to get the specifics. This was the first thing I found when having Firefox + YouTube issues: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/openh264/

    Installed that and it wasn't any better. Then had to figure out how to remove it and try the rpmfusion stuff (whatever that is).

    Here's the output of systemd-analyze critical-chain:

    The time when unit became active or started is printed after the "@" character.
    The time the unit took to start is printed after the "+" character.
    
    graphical.target @12.832s
    
    └─sddm.service @12.832s
    
      └─plymouth-quit.service @12.727s +98ms
    
        └─systemd-user-sessions.service @12.681s +20ms
    
          └─remote-fs.target @12.659s
    
            └─remote-fs-pre.target @8.131s
    
              └─nfs-client.target @8.130s
    
                └─gssproxy.service @8.044s +85ms
    
                  └─network.target @8.037s
    
                    └─wpa_supplicant.service @8.002s +33ms
    
                      └─basic.target @4.810s
    
                        └─dbus-broker.service @4.627s +137ms
    
                          └─dbus.socket @4.607s +1ms
    
                            └─sysinit.target @4.596s
    
                              └─systemd-resolved.service @4.452s +143ms
    
                                └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @3.827s +613ms
    
                                  └─local-fs.target @3.814s
    
                                    └─boot-efi.mount @3.692s +119ms
    
                                      └─boot.mount @3.552s +118ms
    
                                        └─systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-e61e388b\x2d6938\x2d4f16\x2d9746\x2dce2c084d3f44.service @3.206s +170ms
    
                                          └─dev-disk-by\x2duuid-e61e388b\x2d6938\x2d4f16\x2d9746\x2dce2c084d3f44.device
    

    And here's the output of systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg (had to covert to jpg to allow the upload):

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Sorry, I haven't had time to look at this with calm but:

    remote-fs.target @12.659s

    that one stands out to me, from the name it seems like it's related to networking file shares, which I don't think you need during boot. Also I see wpa_supplicant there, if I'm not mistaken that means that you're waiting for a wireless connection before proceeding. Looking at the other image though it seems your disk is taking a long time to start up, which is weird considering it's

    Both of those might be okay and preferable (for example for a server), but for a laptop I would expect to have networking stack start after graphical so the system feels like it's faster. I imagine those are the default for Fedora and not something you configured, and probably you should not poke on this unless you're okay with reinstalling your system in case you break something (speaking of that for future references you should consider having one partition for / and another for /home, that way you can reinstall or distro hop without affecting your personal files). Good luck.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    In my experience, pirating games on Linux works, but its harder.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    i use an hp printer,and need to be able to use it on linux.

    Then research if your specific model has compatibility issues (AFAIK HP stuff generally works well, but... it's up to you to check before buying)

    i expect to be able to use the laptop and not think about the os too much

    That will happen, if you are lucky or if you buy hardware that specifically supports linux.

    Would you expect macos to run on a dell computer? would you expect windows to run on a mac? linux has much broad compatibility but is no different: if it doesn't work on your PC it's not linux's fault.

    my goal of using linux is being far from malware

    Just follow basic hygiene and you'll be fine. Most importantly, don't install malware yourself (chrome is available on linux too and, sadly, it's also widely used).

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    on windows it would be to scan your stuff,make sure its the real site etc

    It's the same on Linux (*), with two big differences:

    1. you'll install most (all?) of your software from the repos of your distro of choice, so most of the times you don't have to worry
    2. linux is inherently more secure than Windows (and AFAIK there are less viruses targeting it, either because they are harder to write or because it's a smaller target), so you are not as likely to catch viruses.

    If you install niche software from app stores (even reputable ones), you'll have to make sure to check it's the real deal (I think both the snap store and flathub had fake cryptowallets?), but if you stick to relatively mainstream software you'll be fine (I mean, it's not like you'll find fake versions of steam or blender on flathub).

    That said, the risk is there just as with Windows (or your phone, or anything else): a good operative system helps, but ultimately you are the real line of defense.

    (*) well, IDK about scanning... generally speaking, if you feel like you have to scan something before opening it, just don't open it :) (yeah I know it's not possible if - eg - you receive files from customers)

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    If switching from Windows or Mac and you want to keep similar UI for easy transition, check out ZorinOS. A friend of mine recently installed Zorin OS Core w/ nvidia drivers and is enjoying it so far.

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