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[–] 241 points 8 months ago (39 children)

Something... something... History rhymes. My country is so fucking stupid:

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  • [–] 118 points 8 months ago (30 children)

    No kidding, my entire life all I’ve seen is republican presidents take us into stupid ass wars.

    Why does anybody believe any of these people when they say they want to keep us out of wars?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They've dragged the US government into 38 trillion dollars in dept dropping nearly a trillion dollars a year into the military industrial complex without an ability to pass an audit. Soon the largest expenditure in the US federal discretionary budget will be paying interest on on debts taken to feed that beast. But forgiving student loans and providing healthcare... we can't afford that.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Yea dude, the we can’t afford healthcare is an ubsolute lie.

    They want to keep us dependent on working for healthcare because they want their slave population to stay quiet.

    At some point if people want healthcare or anything else they are frankly entitled to people need to rise up and fight for it.

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  • [+] -22 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Did you believe Obama when he said he'd get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan and close Guantanamo Bay? My only sympathy lies is me believing the same shit.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    Obama tried to follow the Constitution, and Republicans used every opportunity to disrupt, derail, and corrupt his good faith agenda and policy proposals. I remember distinctly

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (18 children)

    If a war is started unconstitutionaly, and if an unconstitutional government torture program is started, it can be closed and ended without a constitution. Don't use the "poor 'ole Democrat" excuse to accept wars and torture. Unless it was the Parliamentarian. Well that one rules above all.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    You're doing the false equivalency fallacy by bringing Obama into this though. Sure Democrats and Republicans are both bad, but trying to say they are equally bad isn't true.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago* (14 children)

    Obama started 5 wars in middle east, dropped more bombs than GWB. I constantly hear that Trump increased drone strikes like 430% his first year the first term. Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB. People complain about the Trump deportations. Yet Obama was the Deporter in Chief, and both Obama and Biden deported more immigrants than Trump. People complain about the immigrant detention centers under Trump, and as Trump asked Clinton wisely who built the cages the immigrant children were being put into, it was Obama. During Trumps first term, when he had a State of the Union, the one time Democrats stood up and cheered was when Trump introduced Juan Guaidó. When it comes to wars(especially regime change wars) and immigration, Republicans and Democrats very much agree, and the only way they wouldn't be equel, is if you consider that Obama deported more and dropped more bombs.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Yeeeah Trump is still worse than Obama. And I don't think he's "wisely" asked a question in his life.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Much of America didn't know when that "children in cages" story made the news rounds, the cages were built under Obama, so while I'd pretty much also agree, that was one of the two times the broken clock was right.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    So you agree trump is worse than Obama?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    On immigrants, no. On middle east wars, no, but debatable. On anything else, yes.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn't go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him.

    Maybe I'm more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don't fulfill all the promises they make.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that's another story) stopped him?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Just to clarify, you're asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    No, I'm saying the same way Obama said he'd stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it's easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of "whatever else" and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can't quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn't change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn't change things either.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB.

    Drones weren't a thing under GWB.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    They were, but very few were used, as Obama alluded to in his debate with Romney. That horses aren't used in wars :/ there was a famous drone R&D "leak" from Lockheed Martin from 1995, so they've been around even during the Clinton era

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That like jumping out of a aeroplane then 3 seconds later deciding to quit jumping out of an aeroplane, war doesn't work like that, sometimes unfortunately you have to accept the past actions and continue down the path and hopefully change the outcome in a positive way, see the Donald trump pull out of Afghanistan, the Taliban are now literally armed with US weapons, equipment and full control over the country

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    "Those are crimes of the past. We have to look to the future" and it was Biden that pulled out of Afghanistan. I do support that though. There was no good way to get out. It was a band aid that had to be ripped off.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    And his drone strikes? Was he following the constitution in good faith?

    How about his unconstitutional "intervention" in Libya to topple Gaddafi?

    Liberals love wars, they just keep it quiet.

    Downvote and run away, war loving liberal. As long as it's not Americans getting blown up, you don't give a fuck.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    And his drone strikes? Was he following the constitution in good faith?

    Show me where the Constitution says anything about how to handle US citizens who become enemy combatants adhering to non-state organizations waging war against the US.

    Obama tried to come up with an orderly procedure for making decisions in those cases, consistent with the Constitution and international treaties such as the Geneva Convention (which tallks about armed non-uniformed irregulars, but doesn't say much about them, and assumes the states they operate in have the capacity to deal with them as bandits, which is not always true).

    And the idea that drones are somehow worse than any other method of blowing people to kingdom come is also irrational.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Who was it that toppled Gaddafi? From what I recall it was an angry mob of libyans.

    Also Bush set the precedent for ordering drone strikes. Obama just did what Democrats do, and used the tool in a more effective manner.

    It's one thing to inherit a bullshit war, and do your best to end\win it.

    Starting a war with an enemy nation (Isreal), that has no actual objective or win scenario, and tanking the economy in the process to try and distract from all the children your raped is entirely different. It's also the Republican party platform.

    Republicans are the guy that sucker punches someone, then when that person turns around and whoops their ass, Republicans will immediately claim that it wasn't fair, or that their victim 'cheated'. It's common bitch baby behavior, which is the only thing you can expect from right wing MAGAts

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You're right Obama is as bad as Trump so we should all vote Jill Stein than sniff our own farts like they don't stink anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    LOL, so true. I often laugh about the "tea party" and how it's not really a thing, and then I'm immediately reminded of how the "Green Party" is not much more of a serious thing, either. Other than being seriously used to monkey-wrench this country and give more power to Republicans...

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  • [+] -48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    We won't be sending in ground troops this time. So there can't possibly be a quagmire like we had in Iraq or Afghanistan. And Trump promised money to any ship that gets attacked in the Straight of Hormuz (which I'm more than confident that he's good for) so trade will pick back up again as soon as the smoke clears.

    Honestly, I think he did a heck of a job and I'm excited to see what kind of incredible progress he can achieve for American foreign policy in Cuba next.

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  • [–] 92 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    So he has reached all his goals? Or did he forgett what he wanted to do? What is now with the eppstein files? 

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    His goal is to foment Iranian terrorist cells to attack on US soil, thus giving the pretext this regime was looking for to institute martial law or cancel midterms all together.

    Also his other goal was to do anything Israel wanted so they don't release all the kompromat of Trump raping children.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn't need to be an Iranian terrorist attack. It just needs to look like one.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    True, but it would be much better if the Iranian regime just attacked themselves, then the American regime wouldn't have to pile on even more lies.

    Straight outta Putin's playbook, with the Chechen terrorist attacks, that somehow used a very specific material that only Russian military would have access to and then the FSB confiscated all evidence and never investigated it again.

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    2 weeks till its done, just like healthcare, tax reform, all of his other plans etc.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    When everything is for show, you don’t even have to half-ass it. Some bombs were dropped, some folks died, he got to salute coffins for the camera after looking tough. Mission Accomplished, what’s next?

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  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago (1 child)
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    Gets drunk, smacks a hornets nest with a stick, declares victory.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Right, but he just goes inside and the hornets buzz around impotently, then he is hung over the next morning and pisses on the knocked down hornets nest and goes about his day never giving another thought about it.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Someone has had a whinge to him about share prices.

    Things are just getting started. He destabilised the region, and Iran doesn't have any reason to discipline tinge aggression now.

    They can destroy a passing ship every few weeks with a $20k drone while the US spends 100s of millions a day just to be present.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Nah man, Putin is Trump's hero. Watch us take some territory and refuse to give it up through multiple cease fires. Not only did he not stop the war in Ukraine, he turned America into fucking russia. Fucking dumb timeline

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    The... man who lies with every breath. People are trusting what he claims!?

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    He doesn't lie, he lives in a narcissistic delusion. With his brain melted, he's actually terrible at lying... Watch him talk about the Epstein files, he goes stiff like he forgets how to move his body

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Finally, someone said it. He's too honest for his own good. He doesn't lie; the people around him do. He just repeats what he's told and what he believes. He flipflops his opinions and plans every 2 seconds because that's how long it takes to convince him or a new idea. He doesn't have the mental capacity to lie.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe not anymore, but he used to lie like it was going out of style. If his brain wasn't mush, he would be lying. Now he just repeats whatever the nearest person to him has said.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The reality is that nobody can reliably assess what he believes or doesn't believe. Maybe he believes his own bullshit, maybe not. But it's still bullshit regardless, and his culpability is the same either way.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago*

    "We have a plan that I think is going to be fantastic. It’s going to be released fairly soon."
    - Trump discussing his health care plan in 2017

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't talk to my friends this casually.

    If I said "very complete, pretty much" I'm pretty sure they'd bring me to the hospital for a stroke.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    “They’ve shot everything they have to shoot, and they better not try anything cute or it’s going to be the end of that country.”

    He's gonna nuke them, isn't he?

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Why wouldn't he? Might makes right in his mind, and he is happy to use the unbridled power to reshape the world.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Someone needs to start the rumor on "Truth" that nukes will make the oil and the gasoline processed from it radioactive and kill Americans at the pump!

    He believed "..they are eating the dogs and the cats!.."

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The problem with that is it has to be something that aligns with and reinforces his world view.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)
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    Did oil price go so bad?

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    you can start a war on your own, but pretty sure both sides have to agree to end a war.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I guess one of the advantages of having literally zero plans other then "kill the current bad guy" is that you can just stop whenever you want and declare victory.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The Ayatollah's son who just took over is known for being even more of a hardliner (good luck Iranian protesters) AND the US and Israel just killed his both of his parents and his wife. So yeah definitely much victory, much win.

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    [–] 21 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Never mind about that, he changed his mind again.

    After comments that seemed to suggest President Trump was looking towards an exit from his war with Iran, Trump said in a speech to Republican lawmakers in Florida that “we have won in many ways, but not enough. We go forward more determined than ever to achieve ultimate victory that will end this long-running danger once and for all.”

    The enemy cannot anticipate your actions if you have no plan! No doubt Sun Tzu would have said something like that if he were American.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm always amazed to see the number of people go "oh no, he said one thing and now he says the other thing! Can you believe this? Wait till he says another thing and then when you're smart maybe it's not the thing if you wait a few days! That crazy president! Let's subscribe to his twitter so we can be smart"

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago

    The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'

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