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[–] 16 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I love that there’s a diagnosis in the DSM for people who sleep in but not for people who wake up early.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Because it's a biological issue with circadian rhythms.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The why isn’t waking up early treated the same?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Because sunlight causes specific changes in the body to wake you up.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Then why isn’t waking up before sunrise in the DSM like waking up well after?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Most sleep disorders are in the regular medical diagnostic list. Honestly not sure which sleep disorder is listed in the dsm . The dsm is specific to mental health. Do you know the specific term,?

    It might be a symptom. But I've not heard of it being a disorder in the dsm.

    The delayed sleep phase syndrome is a medical diagnosis. Not in the dsm.

    If you only sleep a small number of hours and wake up super early , that's a sleep disorder symptom. Typically it's a symptom of some other problem. It's common in dementia.

    It's also normal to sleep less hours as you get older. So old people are notorious for waking up early.

    It's natural to get tired when the sun goes down. And if you only need 6 hours of sleep but go to bed at 10 pm. You will wake up at 4 am.

    So some other sleep related diagnosis:

    There is also sleep apnea.

    There is a long list of Sleep parasomnia disorders

    Narcolepsy (2 types)

    There are sleep problems related to all sorts of conditions like schizophrenia and bipolar. ADHD.

    Sleep problems can be caused by drug and alcohol use.

    As far as I know. Sleep problems are only symptoms in the dsm . No sleep disorder is listed in the dsm.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Considering that, in nomadic life, night has a number of dangers, that is a considerable advantage

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Honestly, diversity is what makes humans strong.

    It would make sense if a few people in a tribe were night owls.

    I think it makes sense that it would be better for a group of humans to have at least one that likes to stay up late and sleep in.

    There are a lot of human problems that are created by our culture and society. And even technology.

    For instance. Dyslexia doesn't exist except in written language that requires precision horizontal tracking.

    It's much less of a problem for Chinese people. Their written language is vertical and reads right to left.

    ADHD.

    Do we think this was a problem in nomadic tribes?

    Probably not. It certainly makes it hard for people to do repetitive tasks for 8 hours. But the human brain was never designed for that in the first place.

    I took a course, many years ago on the ethical and cultural issues of the dsm.

    My understanding was that most dsm disorders are heavily culturally created in one way or another. How we define a problem. What criteria is considered valid or not.

    Some diagnoses are more universal than others.

    The symptoms can vary based on culture and generation.

    Some problems are a product of our society restricting people to a narrow set of acceptable behaviors. Often for capitalistic reasons. That are not healthy for us, mentally nor physically. (Working in a factory , sitting at a computer all day).

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Suicide is rampant is pre-modern societies too. They just don't get to benefit from help. Ain't the psychs that are wrong here, but an enduring issue in society itself.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Well, yes? If you're suffering from depression, you're going to get diagnosed with depression regardless of what's causing it. The psychiatrists aren't causing it, nor can they change it, and they can only treat the patient. So why are we vilifying health professionals for doing their job?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I think its more the fact that psychiatrist help to move the burden onto the individual rather than approach the societal causes of the issue. That was my experience and it completely turned me off from seeing any mental health "proffesionals".

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    • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    @Deceptichum Marx was correct when he said there wasn't much difference between working for wages and working as slaves.Wage slavery.

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