Study shows lower risk for multiple myeloma as well as pancreatic, prostate, breast and kidney cancers

Vegetarians have a substantially lower risk of five types of cancer, a landmark study on the role of diet has revealed.

The research, using data from more than 1.8 million people who were tracked over many years, found that vegetarians had a 21% lower risk of pancreatic cancer, a 12% lower risk of prostate cancer and a 9% lower risk of breast cancer compared with meat eaters. Combined, these cancers account for around a fifth of cancer deaths in the UK.

Vegetarians also had a 28% lower risk of kidney cancer and a 31% lower risk of multiple myeloma, according to the study published in the British Journal of Cancer.

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[–] 56 points 8 months ago (33 children)

At this point we're beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago* (26 children)

    Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.

    Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
    Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.

    I don't think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
    Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋

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  • [+] 15 points 8 months ago (20 children)
  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it's some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
    I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there's a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I've known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Vegetarians don't drink milk or eat fish and eggs

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    You’re correct that vegetarians don’t eat fish. People who eat fish but no other meats are called “pescatarians”, as someone mentioned earlier.

    However, “vegetarian” refers to people with diets of mostly plants and sometimes animal byproducts that don’t require killing the animal (like milk and eggs).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

    The specific subset of vegetarians who don’t eat or use any animal byproducts are called “vegans”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

    It can be confusing because there’s sort of a tree of consumption/diets and there are a lot of terms, and some of the terms sound similar. Hope this helps.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (10 children)

    You've confused the term vegetarian with vegan. Vegetarians just don't eat meat and fish, vegans don't eat any animal products (no milk, eggs, or honey)

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Vegans follow a vegetarian diet, but it's far from only being about diet. Lacto-ovo-vegetarians call themselves vegetarians because they are in denial about their own carnism

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    It sounds like you think the only options are veganism (which you call vegetarianism) or carnism

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Vegetarianism is a diet, veganism is a philosophy. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    No, they both describe diets. One refrains from eating meat, the other refrains from eating all animal products

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

    Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Vegetarian diets and vegan diets aren't the same

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Most so-called "vegetarians" are nothing of the sort. Most actual vegetarians are vegans. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    By definition, if they don't eat meat, they're vegetarian. I get that you believe it moral hypocrisy to eat cheese and eggs if vegetarian but they are still, by definition, vegetarian

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry I didn't know definitions were ordained by God

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You don't get to gatekeep who is vegetarian just because you don't like the widely accepted definition. That's like insisting only acute triangles are triangles. There is a distinction between vegetarian and vegan specifically because vegans avoid eggs, dairy, and honey.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Do we know what moderate means?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
    So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

    I live in Denmark, and we were highest on meat consumption in 2002, but in 2020 the amount of meat consumed per person was cut by more than half!
    So the highest number was in 2002 with 146 kg per year per person, or 397 gr per day, more than double the recommendation on average!
    Supermarkets here are making smaller packages, and beef is now taxed to reduce consumption of that in particular. Also because it is considered more environmentally harmful than other types of meat.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Which studies? A quick search doesn't seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption's correlation with high socioeconomic status).

    All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of "maybe"'s in either direction.

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  • [+] -4 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn't help me discern much. That's why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    A point missing from the headline:

    While being vegetarian appeared to be protective overall, the scientists also found that those who follow a vegetarian diet had nearly double the risk of the most common type of cancer of the oesophagus, known as squamous cell carcinoma, compared with meat eaters. This may be due to vegetarians being deficient in key nutrients such as B vitamins, the team suggested.

    So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.

    I feel like we're just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don't eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Brace yourselves for all the meat eaters suddenly getting extremely defensive...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I haven't gone full vegetarian but I eat vegetarian meals a lot

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    These studies aren't very useful without considering the base rate. From Google, the lifetime risk for men for pancreatic cancer is about 1.8% (1.7% for women). the article said vegetarians had 21% less chance, which means it's a 1.4% chance.

    To me this smells like a study with a lot of data massaging to get something publishable.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days?

    What a foolish question. You sound young.

    I'm 50. I've had six heart attacks, a below knee amputation, and I'm on dialysis after my kidneys failed. Life is not easy, and yet I still wish it to go on. I am probably going to die within a decade, and I hate that. I should have 2-3 more, dammit.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Also the years you lose/gain don't come from the end, they come from wherever you are now. If you're 30 and start exercising you feel better and younger longer in addition to living longer, the inverse if you decide to start smoking.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, do you want to live long enough to find out if you'll suffer from senile dementia?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Well, here's the thing. Some people get dementia and others don't. While I'd prefer not to get dementia, it seems foolish to commit suicide right now for fear that I might be one of the ones that get it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No one is asking you to commit suicide, just to eat carbonara.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I would love some al dente carbonara right now. Unfortunately I think I'm oversensitive to gluten and dairy proteins. I've been trying for a few years now and that's the conclusion I somewhat have to draw. Which sucks balls.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Quality over quantity, baby

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