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[–] 33 points 8 months ago* (26 children)

Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.

Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.

I don't think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
    Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋

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  • [+] 15 points 8 months ago (20 children)
  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it's some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
    I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there's a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I've known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Vegetarians don't drink milk or eat fish and eggs

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    You’re correct that vegetarians don’t eat fish. People who eat fish but no other meats are called “pescatarians”, as someone mentioned earlier.

    However, “vegetarian” refers to people with diets of mostly plants and sometimes animal byproducts that don’t require killing the animal (like milk and eggs).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

    The specific subset of vegetarians who don’t eat or use any animal byproducts are called “vegans”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

    It can be confusing because there’s sort of a tree of consumption/diets and there are a lot of terms, and some of the terms sound similar. Hope this helps.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (10 children)

    You've confused the term vegetarian with vegan. Vegetarians just don't eat meat and fish, vegans don't eat any animal products (no milk, eggs, or honey)

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Vegans follow a vegetarian diet, but it's far from only being about diet. Lacto-ovo-vegetarians call themselves vegetarians because they are in denial about their own carnism

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    It sounds like you think the only options are veganism (which you call vegetarianism) or carnism

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Vegetarianism is a diet, veganism is a philosophy. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    No, they both describe diets. One refrains from eating meat, the other refrains from eating all animal products

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

    Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Vegetarian diets and vegan diets aren't the same

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Most so-called "vegetarians" are nothing of the sort. Most actual vegetarians are vegans. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    By definition, if they don't eat meat, they're vegetarian. I get that you believe it moral hypocrisy to eat cheese and eggs if vegetarian but they are still, by definition, vegetarian

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry I didn't know definitions were ordained by God

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You don't get to gatekeep who is vegetarian just because you don't like the widely accepted definition. That's like insisting only acute triangles are triangles. There is a distinction between vegetarian and vegan specifically because vegans avoid eggs, dairy, and honey.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Do we know what moderate means?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
    So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

    I live in Denmark, and we were highest on meat consumption in 2002, but in 2020 the amount of meat consumed per person was cut by more than half!
    So the highest number was in 2002 with 146 kg per year per person, or 397 gr per day, more than double the recommendation on average!
    Supermarkets here are making smaller packages, and beef is now taxed to reduce consumption of that in particular. Also because it is considered more environmentally harmful than other types of meat.

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