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DVDs are the new vinyl records: Why Gen Z is embracing physical media (www.latimes.com)
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[–] 188 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Yeah because i want to own when i buy things

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  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I'm happy to just pirate this shit.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    I don’t buy band media anymore but I do go out to live shows and buy t-shirts and other merch like nobody’s business.

    Record company middlemen and forever streaming can take a hike.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I do go out to live shows and buy t-shirts and other merch like nobody’s business.

    Who doesn't love a cool band t-shirt?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    - My wife, just before she stole my band shirt

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    In fairness, she looks better in it

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    In fairness, I only bought the shirt in my size so that it would be comfortable for her to sleep in. I never actually planned to wear it. Shame that it's a fucking Disturbed shirt and that I wanna set fire to it.

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    • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The future is self-hosted digital media. I've got no qualms with pirating media. But I am an advocate for buying digital media from artists directly.

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    • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Unless you take the DVD from them, you can't remove their access to the movie stored on that disc.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Technically network connected blu ray players can be updated to region lock you out of your content.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So don't connect them to the Internet

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, just being pedantic with a risk that people don’t think of.

    I think the blu ray secret keys leaked so you can rip them anyways.

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  • [+] 11 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You can’t hold your NAS? It actually weighs very slightly more with data on it.

    DVD have already polluted and currently exist and are rotting, and need to be ripped to longer term storage, especially for media that is becoming lost and needs a custodian to host so it can be pirated online. A lot of things cannot because no one has it, but it still exists in physical form.

    Some may be ok with a whatever resolution streaming service webrip but I want the original dvd HD remaster, before they re-remastered it with only a single layer disk instead of double, messing up the original faithful rerelease that was already anticipated during filming when the show was filmed in HD widescreen film, but originally released in SD for broadcast due to the time. Plus, you can’t webrip the “banned” episodes if they’re not available.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    DVD and especially blue ray still have DRM and license terms, which . means you still don't own it. Only way to own media is to pirate it

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    license terms

    In most places ownership laws make those licences unenforceable - not in the legal sense, but practically - hard to lock you out of a DVD.

    Great option for those still politically opposed to pirating stuff.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    Blu Ray is where it's at. Give me some actual quality bitrate baby.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    And decent resolution: DVD is forever stuck at SD (480p MPEG). While Blu-ray can be UHD (4K HEVC).

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I've always kinda thought about implementing a software and standard for 1080p av1 on DVD. Would be neat as a project, obviously no commercial use would exist.

    Either way you can get some really impressive encodes out of av1, really neat tech.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Unless you get new DVD players to support AV1, just put the AV1 files on a data DVD..

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    No that's the idea, it would be to make a piece of software which if thrown on a sbc with a DVD drive becomes a player.

    Which really isn't too far off of DVD and most bluray players.

    Though I wouldn't be shocked if the super cheap DVD players have some sorta all-in-one integrated asic for most of the job.

    Would mostly be used by hobbiest making their own burned discs and small artists releasing stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean if you control the software on the "player" you don't really need a dedicated dvd format. Think about mp3 CDs, it never became a real format with specs and everything yet most CD players after a certain date supported them.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Think about mp3 CDs...

    • ..Or worse, ATRAC CDs, which thankfully also never caught on because had they caught on, given ATRAC is a proprietary Sony codec, they would've only been able to be played back on Sony CD players which supported the ATRAC codec.
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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    That sounds interesting! I've been using AV1 more and more (thanks to SVT-AV1-PSY/-HDR and devs pushing improvements to main). Also enjoying FHD animated AVIF (vs ancient GIF, although gif.ski helps). AV1 video is not as soft as it once was (esp at high bitrates with synthetic film grain), and combined with OPUS audio, it's all wonderful.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's not even 480p, it's 480i with a resolution of 720x480 regardless of whether the content is 4:3 or 16:9, the pixels get stretched one way or the other. That's for NTSC discs, PAL discs have a higher 576i (720x576) resolution but the movie is sped up 4% cause it forces 25fps when it should be 24.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This is a good point. Even worse! Weird anamorphic? pixel aspect ratios (or maybe pan-and-scan crops? or hopefully that's just VHS). With a bonus of interlacing! "The horror!" I haven't ripped a DVD in ages due to video quality issues.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    If you ever wanna play 4K BDs on PC, you'll need a 4K-compatible drive that's been hacked with LibreDrive though, otherwise you're stuck using a dedicated set-top player for those.

    1080p discs can at least be handled by libaacs and libbdplus /w the necessary files, and don't necessarily need a hacked drive to play back.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    It's both for me. Some things are either not on BluRay, too rare and expensive, or the transfer on BluRay is actually worse. And besides, any BluRay player is a dvd player too.

    Anyway, any physical collecting or pirating needs to encouraged because streaming is such a stupid model now.

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    • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I've been collecting physical media for over 30 years. Started with VHS, CD's and DVD's back in the day. Now I'm primarily a blu ray/4k collector as the image and sound quality is closest to the filmmaker's intentions.

    It's been hard to see physical media slow down production over the past 5 years. The biggest loss is the wealth of information from all the special features that are now considered over and above what studios are willing to pay for. It's unfortunate that the newer generation can't expect features on par with what Peter Jackson shared on his Lord of the Rings Extended discs. (I know there are still boutique labels putting out great discs loaded with features, but they are fewer by the year and costly.)

    There are some moments in time where the world really surprises though, and it's been a pleasant turn of events to see Gen Z embrace VHS!? The resurgence of vinyl was understandable as the sound exhibits a warmth and depth. VHS is a bit of a head-scratcher, but I can understand its nostalgic appeal. Just happy that people are enjoying physical media in any form.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The resurgence of vinyl was understandable as the sound exhibits a warmth and depth

    Only because it is adds pleasing artifacts to the original and people connect a turn table up to something to listen to it with. When used to hearing crappy encoded digital, with a bad DAC through lossy bluetooth to a tiny speaker, vinyl sounds better.

    Funny thing is that you can record vinyl digitally and that recording will sound exactly the same on good equipment which tells you it isn't the vinyl itself that sounds good.

    In any case vinyl is extremely disappointing to see come back. It is a very energy intensive process, using PVC often mixed with lead. It is very heavy and bulky to move around, so transportation costs are high.

    I understand the desire to have a physical thing, but only its flaws make it be a reproduction of the source material AND is environmentally not good.

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    • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No, vinyl is still the new vinyl. Tons and tons of new vinyl on Bandcamp. And tapes!

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    • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That's cool I guess. I have a shelf full of switch games. And a NAS full of hundreds of movies, tv shows, audio books, music and more. I'll take digital so long as I'm in control.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    And a NAS full of hundreds of movies, tv shows

    This is me, but I made the bad decision of starting with a two bay NAS, my 10 TB filled up fairly quickly (not even 4K media), that is why I recently added to my Arr Stack Decypharr to the equation, and I am kinda impressed how well it behaves with my RD cloud (the content there is prone to disappear due to inactivity, but Decypharr has certain tools to avoid that to happen).

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    • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    I totally get it. Kids missed out on everything good.

    Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon, and disc rot sets in on most discs in 20 years. Luckily mine have survived. But make backups. Although that's why "they (the rich)" want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can't afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever.

    Good luck young people !

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon

    We're still making vinyl records. What on earth makes you think we're going to stop making DVDs?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Vinyl has hipster vibes and false audiophile claims. CDs and DVDs dont. They won't be profitable in a few years and then bye bye factories. Just like vhs. I'd still be buying vhs takes if they made them but they dont. Same with CRTs.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They won’t be profitable in a few years

    I just don't know where you get these claims from

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    History. They don't make vhs players or CRTs now do they? Even though they had huge benefits to modern (vhs, recordable and durable, CRT, durable, repairable, instantaneous response and perfect blacks) digital convenience trumps all for the majority population. Its also about control. You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more (OK fine, digital signage, but you won't get a remote) and some of them will not even function unless you connect them to WiFi. Hekk no.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They don’t make vhs players or CRTs now do they?

    There's an enormous inventory of New Old Stock and refurbished units that more than meet demand.

    You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more

    That's absolutely not true. The real limit on Dumb TVs is the size. Emerson and Westinghouse both make dumb TVs, but they cap out at 50".

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Wrong, CRTs are getting very hard to find now and people smash them for fun. 10 years they'll all be gone or many thousands of dollars.

    Where did you find those TVs? I'd like to know!

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Properly manufactured Audio CDs are actually quite resilient, obviously not so much to scratches, but out of all my 100+ CDs (I'd say half of which are older than 25 years) only one has disc rot and that one is a pressing made by PDO who're known for their bad pressings that are prone to disc rot.

    I don't really store my CDs in a special way either.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The life span of CD/DVD is not on the printed media but on the media we make/made our backups on. Of my many spindles from back in 2k (some disks are almost 25 yrs old), so far maybe 5 disks have gone partially or completely unreadable, lucky I didn't lose much. Baring scratches or other physical damage, the printed disks will last decades where my disks have outlasted prediction

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    CDs were so much better for my kids than any other digital player. Especially when they couldn't read yet. It's much easier to choose a CD and put it into a player than opening an app to search for something.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    that’s why “they (the rich)” want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can’t afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever

    That seems like a reach. Hanlon's says they're just buying HDDs for their Artificial Imbecile service.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Maybe, but its not surprising that it fits their agenda perfectly. Build the slop generator and make it impossible for the population to own their means of computing. Future computing will be a dumb terminal on bezos net, and you will be an ostracized weirdo for not using it.

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    • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    We started buying BR and CDs for our daughter because we found the physical selection more rewarding to her and interactive. With the exception of the PBS app, no way that could all be a collection.

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    [–] 29 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Blu-rays are great, DVDs not so much unless it's an old title that was never released in 1080p

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    even then, many bluerays are just cheap upscales with no other changes. I made that mistake once with a boxset only to find that it was a very obvious DVD. this after I was roasted on reddit for complaining about that being a possibility and everyone angrily promised me that it was not that. it was that. I'm still bitter

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Blu ray has copy protection...

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I'm currently working on ripping all my CDs to my old laptop and looking at mp3 players, but only because I don't really want to use my phone storage to hold everything. I was still buying physical CDs of new releases up until a few years ago, but I've gone back to that too.

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    • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    I wish blue ray 50 GB discs were used more.

    They have really good shelf life and it would be awesome for things like yearly backup of your photos or some shit like that.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I have bad news for you - Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung have all stopped production on BR-R discs.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Verbatim still manufactures their DataLifePlus series of BD-Rs, and they are excellent. The market otherwise is pretty bleak... Ritek offers nothing that compares to the DLP discs.

    Also, side note, Pioneer (once a leading manufacturer of BD burners), no longer makes them. LG is the lone surviving manufacturer I believe.

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