We don't want kids downloading bad stuff.
Then parents should keep an eye on their kids. Or just don't give them full on access to the computer.
I hate that politicians keep trying to invent technology to do a parents job.
We don't want kids downloading bad stuff.
Then parents should keep an eye on their kids. Or just don't give them full on access to the computer.
I hate that politicians keep trying to invent technology to do a parents job.
You know it's a bad idea because it's literally what Mark Zuckerberg suggested in court the other day.
How will they know no one else is using the device? Kids use their parents devices and tablets *all the time.
It's a backdoor to a national digital ID scheme.
Obviously every device will be required to have both
2.Always on microphone for voice age analysis through stress levels using AI
If you don't have all three it's an automatic 3 strikes felony offense and you're sent straight to labor camps for the rest of your existence no AI needed (silver lining right? Riiiight)
Duh.
Before I go full tin foil hat on this theory, I want to know how they plan on making it so the signal is sent client side without the client being able to fake the signal.
Like, this sounds like something that any type of OS that allows you to install a program will be able to bypass quite easily either by always sending the adult signal or never sending the adult signal
Like reading the bill, they explicitly forbid any type of personally identifying information being transferred. It sounds like it's just a DOB check and if you say you are > 13 or whatever age they have it as it sends a signal.
I'm happy it isn't allowed to send PII but like at the same time, I feel like just having websites put an age check prompt up does the same thing
So… you know how Battlefield 6 requires Secure Boot and TPM enabled, which just so happens to mean you can only use Windows 11? Yeah, they’ve been priming it for a while. Soon they’ll mandate that the browsers have hooks than can read the attestation of the system like Google’s Safety system on Android, and then sites won’t even load if it doesn’t pass.
So I get what you're going at, but I did want to add that secure boot doesn't require Windows 11. And that the main issue with Battlefield 6 isn't the fact that it has secure boot enabled because you can use Battlefield 6 on Linux with secure boot. The issue is it won't pass the anti-cheat, which is Javolin if I remember correctly, breaks itself when in a Proton environment.
Being said, I don't think secure boot is the threat everyone thinks it is. Microsoft was originally not going to let alternative platforms be allowed on the secure boot environment. However, they started facing legal threats regarding it, including a potential ban in Australia and part of the EU stated they were looking into investigating it in regards to anti-trust, so they ended up caving to avoid having a judgment in court. I don't foresee Microsoft going back to making it so they're the only one allowed again,and if they do it's almost certain they'll be anti-trusted
I can see the concern on a Google attestion style system, but I don't ever foresee it getting that bad because people will just not use the system. The only reason it's working somewhat well for Google is because it's integrated into Android as a whole and practically forced upon developers if they want to use the existing integrity systems. Being said, I've only ever seen it in banking apps. I don't think I've ever seen it on a website to website basis.
Secure Boot and TPM are not Windows-only technologies. I'm secure booting openSUSE right now
Go ahead. My OS belongs to me. It does what I say. If you want it to tell you I'm an adult, it will.
A-ha. All for the sake of children. Guess what makes my butt hurt: there are still people who buy this. And many of them
Just laugh and move on. It’s not going to happen.
These people have no idea what they’re talking about. They think that the developers of four hundred Linux distros, FreeDOS, Haiku, *nix, the BSDs, are even going to bother trying. Then you have industrial boxen running obsolete operating systems, routers, all the network devices that run the internet.
EDIT: and then every application that runs on every platform also needs to be updated. Like that’s going to happen.
If they really cared about the children, they would just physically cut the cables at the Colorado border. That’s the only way that any sort of access control can be enforced.
EDIT: and then every application that runs on every platform also needs to be updated. Like that’s going to happen.
No, they're wanting to target at the OS level and i doubt they know or care about linux.
The one hurdle politicians can always surpass is the stupidity of an idea...
Dude, Trump it's a MEME candidate, it's never going to win >>> 2 terms later
Ignorant parents unwilling to monitor their kids or utilize already available tools to aid in preventing access to inappropriate material want devs to do so for them, ushering in a surveillance state.
Well then the solution is to have some company create a solution to make parental controls much easier.
Instead you're going to give your ID to Peter Thiel who will use that to connect all of your online activity to a single profile of you. Eventually, when he and Trump and all the other right wing idiots feel emboldened they'll send Gestapo to your house on voting day to make sure you can't make it to the polls (or just straight up nullify your vote). And that's the best case scenario.
Palantir is positioning itself as a crime prevention system that needs access to all of your health, education, spending and other data until they know every single thing about you so they can "predict crime before it happens".
In 10 years time, the world is going to be a far worse place and people like you will be to blame for allowing it.
How else are they going to verify your age?
Yeah because the American police state will be perfectly happy with you only providing a date. You're going to wake up soon to a world you don't understand, if you don't start paying attention.
This is just so dumb and the fact that it's coming from Democrats feeds right into the rage-bait winger types like Lunduke.
I want the plot twist here to be that they're just trying to tank Windows and MacOS because they're big Linux fans
From what I've heard this would also apply to Linux.
How would you enforce this? Maybe I'm being thick I just truly don't understand how you'd crack down on someone not using the age verification?
I've seen it mentioned somewhere else, but while they don't mention it in the arricle. There's a chance we are possibly looking at age restriction at the isp level. This could be a way, but there will be work arounds for those tech savy enough to get around them I could forsee.
We could start our own underground p2p or LAN connection completely detached from regular isp but the logistics to that would be extremely difficult to pull off on a massive scale and more than likely would be more locally based amongst friends and neighbors. Vpns could get blocked at the isp as well, so that wouldn't be an option either to bypass it. I welcome any corrections though if I'm mistaken. Hopefully it doesn't get thay far, but a lot of these similar laws are occurring all over the world and not just in the USA.
There's usenet, freenet, hypnanet, and tor. However, the protocols could get blocked and or restricted, so not sure if there's a way around that.
As I've seen someone ask - what is the age of root? Are you going to get prompted for your age when you run sudo?
And are people seriously proposing every single time you create any user, including service level users, that there is some age restriction on that user? What about all the users that can exist inside containers? What about contexts like AWS where you have some user assume a role?
And that's not even getting into the hundreds (thousands?) of Linux distros and BSDs.
As I've seen someone else observe - Linux is not even an OS; it's a kernel. What's to keep people from just releasing and compiling their own sets of tools for managing/creating users and login, etc. If there is something proposed about actually doing this for Linux the kernel, I'm sure patches would emerge nearly immediately.
I saw some of Lunduke's commenters saying this isn't like the 00s or whatever where some clueless tech-illiterate (and older) politician is wanting something, this is more nefarious, etc. and of course these days, everything is different (sigh, no it fucking isn't).
Clearly, they must not know about or be forgetting things like the Clipper Chip and the battle over PGP or the V-chip in the 90s. There were people that were quite tech-savvy and in politics proposing things people didn't really want or need way back then, too. This is not all that new. The control freaks with bad ideas who are not really all that tech illiterate were around 30 years ago, too. At least.
Text of the bill: https://leg.colorado.gov/bill_files/110990/download
"Let's follow in Texas' footsteps except go even further" - Colorado and California Dem Lawmakers
Even if this WERE a good idea, which it is NOT, it should be OPT-IN for RESTRICTION set by the PARENTS. OS level PARENTAL CONTROLS are stupid but REASONABLE.
There is just no way that anyone with a technical background signed off on this idea.
There should be no need for this to exist. The internet has been around for long enough without age verification that it doesn't need to be added now.
That being said, this is the lesser of the two evils, I think. If your age data exists at the device-level and can send an authorization to a service that says "This user is an adult" without needing to send them any additional identification, that would be better than needing to trust some nebulous cloud service with identifiable information tying your personal identity to your online habits.
This is even dumber/more nefarious than that. They want this at the OS level. So I guess even if you are using something offline and want it air-gapped, these fucking geniuses want age verification?
All I can say to them is: go fuck yourselves.
It'd actually be cool if I could verify age with one service and receive an anonymous auth token and create a pin or password, then just use those everywhere to verify age.
Or put it in my password manager and auto fill the BS on request.
All without sharing any private or identifying info with the service.
Currently I either just don't use web services that require age verification, or I use a VPN to bypass them.
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