cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/59425135

58 per cent of Canadians surveyed said they no longer view the U.S. as a reliable ally

Over two-thirds of Canadians said the U.S. tends to create problems for other countries rather than solve them

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[–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What is the difference between Russia and the US?

Just this week, Kirill Dmitriev, Putin's "economic envoy" who also serves as CEO of Russia’s Direct Investment Fund, pitches joint US-Russia projects of 14 trillion USD, contingent on a peace agreement in Ukraine and the lifting of Western sanctions.

Also this week we heard that Gentry Beach, a US investor with close ties to the Trump family, signed an agreement with Russia’s energy giant Novatek already last autumn to develop natural gas in Alaska amid Western sanctions against Russia.

Trump's negotiators for peace in Ukraine are Steven Witkoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, two real estate developers and investor. What do they negotiate?

If such polls are useful at all then only to distract from reality. That helps autocratic regimes as they make autocratic regimes like Russia and China look as the lesser evil. It's not true, though.

[Edit typo.]

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  • 64 comments in c/world@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    This is gonna end in a very sad, and devastating way for us (US). Unfortunately, I'm too fucking poor and ill to get the hell off this god-damned Continent.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Our hegemony was going to end one way or the other, sooner or later. I just didn’t think it would be done by some fucking dipshit dousing everything with kerosene and blowing everything up with a tactical nuke while pooping himself.

    But hey, those libs sure got owned.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    To my own ignorance (and selfishness), I never imagined it would happen within my lifetime. The nukes well, I grew up during the Cold War days, so nukes were always a nightmarish possibility. I mean fuck... we wrote books, and made movies about it!

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    As I've mentioned previously, both Canada and Mexico have one huge problem between them.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    With this administration they’re at least screwing their own citizens as well, besides the rest of the world that is. 

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "Canadians say U.S. ... is bigger threat [to us] than Russia"

    World's longest undefended border may have something to do with that.

    Note: ask any country in Latin America, the Caribbean, Southeast Asia, Africa, or the Arabian/Persian Gulf who is a bigger threat, you'll get the same answer. Some might say China is forgotten from the list.

    Canadians are breaking through the propaganda, finally. Contra-American sentiment or a political anti-American stance has probably not been this rooted since 1812.

    Russia threatens European power. U.S. threatens the Western Hemisphere and

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure that for Taiwan and South Korea, China is the biggest threat. For Poland, the biggest threat is Russia. It's obvious why the US is the biggest threat for Canada.

    Even if the border weren't open and undefended, the two countries' economies have been getting more and more integrated for decades. Canada's economy depends on a stable and sane USA. For a long time that was a safe bet, but now the US is attacking Canada. And, even if it weren't for the tariffs and other attacks, the absolute chaos that Trump is doing to the American economy would reverberate into Canada's economy.

    Russia threatens European power. U.S. threatens the Western Hemisphere and

    It was nice of the CIA agent to hit "submit" after offing you.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    This is the chaos and discord Putin loves to see.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Well yeah, anything that weakens NATO is red meat for him. So to speak.

    It's regrettable to give Putin any comfort, but I don't think Canadians are wrong here. The US is firmly in its 'flailing and desperately externalising' phase of imperial decline, and I think a GB-style "soft landing" of the American empire is too much to hope for.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    "It would be so much easier for Canada if they just agreed to join the US."

    Most threatening line from all Trump's attacks for me. It might seem harmless but it reads: "it would be so much easier for you (for the US) if you just stop struggling."

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I don't say this lightly about a person, but I truly believe rape is at the very core of his being.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    It's because deep down he knows he's a weak, pathetic, insignificant man and needs to hurt the most vulnerable to feel powerful.

    I don't even think he's actually sexually attracted to children. I think he gets off on causing lifelong suffering, and the more vulnerable the person he's breaking is, the better it feels. Children are the most vulnerable and he can do the most damage to them.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago

    🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Americans are saying the same thing about the U.S.

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    Hmmm I wonder why....

    spoilerimage

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    biggest military, right on the border. yeah bigger threat 100%. Really though the USA stopped being independent once the constitution was no longer being followed. Its now basically a captive state. Basically the USA existed between ratification of the constituition and 2026 and maybe if it throws off the yoke will continue. People bring up the civil war but half the country was still controlled by the USA at that time so it was really not as bad.

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    usa does things at the behest of russia and israel.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago*

    In case you haven't notice the kinds of shit the Techbros are loudly pushing, the US most definitelly does things at the behest of its own fatcats first and foremost.

    Granted, their interestest seem to be aligned in the most with mainly Israel and also partly Russia.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Canada needs nuclear weapons, now!

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    What is the difference between Russia and the US?

    Just this week, Kirill Dmitriev, Putin's "economic envoy" who also serves as CEO of Russia’s Direct Investment Fund, pitches joint US-Russia projects of 14 trillion USD, contingent on a peace agreement in Ukraine and the lifting of Western sanctions.

    Also this week we heard that Gentry Beach, a US investor with close ties to the Trump family, signed an agreement with Russia’s energy giant Novatek already last autumn to develop natural gas in Alaska amid Western sanctions against Russia.

    Trump's negotiators for peace in Ukraine are Steven Witkoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, two real estate developers and investor. What do they negotiate?

    If such polls are useful at all then only to distract from reality. That helps autocratic regimes as they make autocratic regimes like Russia and China look as the lesser evil. It's not true, though.

    [Edit typo.]

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Russia is honestly just a worse version of the USA at this point with all the same problems and a little more extreme hate of lgbtq community.

    But that's not really surprising given their history.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yeah that stupid country can suck a truck stop dick and then fuck itself right off.

    GO AWAY.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Oh, has complying with the genocidal empire backfired? How could this be? Surely, making decisions that affect tens of millions of people oriented toward the capitalist imperatives of infinite growth and profit could never hurt those people?

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    Gonna go ahead guess this is an online poll for the terminally online and not an actual indicator of the real world.

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This terminally online room? I should use it to gauge the legitimacy of the poll which I criticize for being irrelevant because it was entirely online? I only guessed buddy do you mean to tell me the poll was actually taken in the real world?!

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago

    So I should just take your terminally online ass as factual instead of using my own observations and personal relationships to make my own judgement?

    To answer your questions:

    Is that not online enough for ya?

    Nope still too online.

    Have I touched enough grass to be considered a legitimate data point for your bullshit scorecard?

    Nope you can't talk your way into this you are still on the outside.

    Or are we still huffing selection bias fumes and dancing to the Dunning-Kruger Memorial waltz?

    Selection bias fumes are you freaking kidding me? All I did was assume it was an online poll correct me if I am wrong. In the meantime: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2378023118791080 https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the-risks-to-online-polls-from-bogus-respondents/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-access_poll

    Jesus christ dude I'm just going to ignore that you brought up the dunning-kruger effect otherwise this is just going to be a verbal bashing.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Nah, as a Canadian I genuinely feel like the US is a larger global threat than Russia. The US has a larger economy, a better military, and a less functional authoritarian government. Say what you will about Putin and his authoritarianism... At least he knows what the fuck he's doing. Trump and his entire administration are fucking unhinged morons. Not to mention if Russia decided to invade us we'd have dozens of countries coming to our defence.

    I can't say the same if the USA did. I would hope Article 5 would enact and the US could never win a war on 4 fronts. But I'm not confident.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Putin’s goals are irrelevant because the entire Russian state is paralyzed by vranyo. From the generals faking reports to the shills faking 'victories' online, you’ve lied to yourselves so much that you’ve accidentally built a military that only works on paper. It’s not a war machine; it’s a theater troupe that’s currently being exposed as incompetent on a global stage.

    --gonna be using AI to respond to russian shills from hereon

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    All of their points were very true and have absolutely been considered by all Canadians lately. Some feel more strongly than others, but a lot have expressed their hatred towards the US.

    Russia never made targeted threats at our sovereignty. The US has been doing nothing but that for over a year now.

    If you want to use an LLM and waste a bunch of energy to respond to someone making a valid point, go for it, just kind of ends up being another reminder of how ignorant Americans can be to anything they don't have the capacity to understand.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The US being a 'threat' is a separate conversation for people who care. The conversation here is that Russia is a global parasite. Their only exports are corruption, destabilization, and dashcam footage of their own tanks exploding. Even if they weren't an incompetent mess—which they are—they’d still be a negative force that adds zero value to the modern world. They aren't a 'Great Power'; they’re a gas station with a failing army and an identity crisis.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    What "positive force" have the US been contributing to the rest of the world lately? At this point the two countries are exporting a lot of the same destabilization and corruption.

    For that matter most of your post could be used to describe the US, with the added possibility of a civil war in the near future.

    Your arguments just aren't holding weight.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Stop hiding behind the US. It’s a pathetic shield for a country that’s currently a global laughingstock. Whether the US has problems doesn't change the fact that Russia is a hollowed-out gas station with a museum-grade military. The 'World's Second Army' is currently begging North Korea for ammo and losing its Black Sea Fleet to a nation without a navy. That’s the reality of Russia: an incompetent, corrupt mess that provides zero value to the world.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "Hiding behind the US". Jeez your talking points are straight from the Whitehouse too.

    "Russia is a hollowed out gas station, but you should totally be more afraid of them than the US" - do you see how your arguments are all over the place? I guess you're likely still using that AI to build your responses, because your posts seem to have amnesia regarding any past point you've tried to make.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    As a Russian, I recognize the pattern. It is much easier to point out contradictions in others than to address the fact that our "superpower" status has devolved into being a global nuisance with an incompetent military.

    You’re right—it is a strange position to be in: a gas station that can’t win its own war, yet insists on being a global player. We use the "What about America" script specifically so we don't have to face how hollowed-out our war machine has actually become. It’s the essence of vranyo—we both know the "Great Power" image is a fiction, but we keep talking about the US to avoid the embarrassment of our own reality. I see you’ve adopted that tradition perfectly.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The US will get there in time. For now, Trump is still busy squandering the momentum that the US accumulated from a century of more able administrators. It was a already a deeply flawed democracy in 2016, but it had good institutions, experts and money money money. Trump is attacking all three - and there is no organized resistance yet.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago

    Im sorry but thats a dumb take. We are in this mess partly due to russian election meddling.

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    It's about damn time

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago*

    The US king-wanabee made threats to take over Canada. I don't recall Russia making a similar threats. So that's totally expected and understandable from canadians.

    It takes effort to appear more dangerous and threatening than Russia. The USA succeded.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's good to see that most of us have a realistic assesment. The US is an obviously bigger threat to us than Russia, economically, militarily, interference, etc.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The US is far more likely to be involved in starting WW3 than russia's part in it. The US also probably thinks its the only way to "be great again" by having another post war economic miracle.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Absolutely right. And quite realistically scary actually. They have the experience post-WWII and some people in the circles of power are certainly making that argument. Some large firms would benefit tremendously, others would lose. I imagine the prospective losers are the ones making the counterargument.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Canadians say that because that is simply what it is.

    The US always has been a shitty ally at best, now it's outright hostile and a lot more capable than Russia (ignoring that tidbit where Russia has a big influence in US politics now)

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    What is the difference between Russia and the US?

    Just this week, Kirill Dmitriev, Putin's "economic envoy" who also serves as CEO of Russia’s Direct Investment Fund, pitches joint US-Russia projects of 14 trillion USD, contingent on a peace agreement in Ukraine and the lifting of Western sanctions.

    Also this week we heard that Gentry Beach, a US investor with close ties to the Trump family, signed an agreement with Russia’s energy giant Novatek already last autumn to develop natural gas in Alaska amid Western sanctions against Russia.

    Trump's negotiators for peace in Ukraine are Steven Witkoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, two real estate developers and investor. What do they negotiate?

    If such polls are useful at all then only to distract from reality. That helps autocratic regimes as they make autocratic regimes like Russia and China look as the lesser evil. It's not true, though.

    [Edit typo.]

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Not just Canada, but also Mexico. It seems intentional with the way Trump wants to eagerly lick Putin's butthole.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago

    That's ... uhh... taking it a bit far there perhaps, buddy.

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