Well, get to it then! Ain't got all year.

Well, get to it then! Ain't got all year.

I just wish that the narrative would focus more on the anti-competitive behavior of these firms to make sure we don’t fall into the same monopolistic trap in Europe. We need variety, we need competition. Focus on standards, low switching costs, and allow reverse engineering.
I think many companies are basically stuck with Microsoft (Excel, Word, Teams, Sharepoint, Onedrive etc). Switching to something else is going to be a pretty serious project. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.
Totally worth doing IMO, but convincing the CEO is another matter. I guess we need a cautionary tale before the executives decide to reserve a few million euros for rebuilding a significant part of the IT infrastructure.
FYI, Proton CEO also caught flak for praising Trump picks, so they are playing both sides of the field FYI
I think its great that Europe is looking to rely less on US tech but nothing about whats going on with Europe (especially within the EU) makes me think privacy is a focus.
Yeah? Because Chat Control is still a thing. And age verification as well, but the EU won't outsource that to 3rd parties (we have EIDAS and the EU wallet for that).
GDPR is nice and all, but people have been fighting chat control and all its hydra heads for years now, so no.
But I'm an American so what do I know?
It hasn't stopped countries like France, and Italy (not a complete list just examples) from being some of the least privacy friendly western governments.
That reminds me of a quote I heard once. Probably from Cory Doctorow but I cannot remember now.
"Everyone wants you to have privacy... just not from them."
Companies that have had their whole data on Google/MS servers for 20 years certainly don't care for privacy the way you and I do. But they are certainly realizing that US providers are not the way to go. Baby steps I guess.
Mentally ready. Actually not ready at all.
It will never happen as long as slugs like van der Leyen or Merz are running the show. These people are completely incompetent.
The alternatives don't have to be perfect. Reducing the dominance of any single country is a good thing.
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France is. The EU is working on trying to get EU-made solutions in use. Switzerland is not in the EU and neither is the UK.
Now that we established this, we can have a productive conversation.
oh god.... we have built everything on microsoft stuff and the higher ups insist that anything that legally can be hosted on the cloud be migrated to azure. This will cause us (the actual workers) untold levels of pain if it were mandated by the eu.
I still wish it does become mandatory though
Wasn't Europe going full open source?
The title rubs me the wrong way. "Private alternatives" implies the US tech isn't privately owned.
I think you misread it. "Private", as in "privacy".
Still, the title is misdirected, and it sounds like Proton trying to do marketing.
Neither is it true that Europe is ready yet (most companies are stuck with MS products like the other commenter said) nor are all those who want to switch looking for privacy (but rather more independence from US).
Yeah
I agree with the misworded commenter
Europe ditches US Based tech and software for stuff they control, so they can better enforce their insane privacy invasion laws better more like
Let's not forget most of the swill age verification legislation around the globe is originating from the EU, and that privacy/encryption focused software groups are fleeing the region (see proton) due to their mallegislation
Europe is not ready for what that will cost.
France is switching from Microsoft Office to Libre Office right now for government employees, and it's saving them money in licensing fees.
Once the transition is finished, they're projected to save millions each year from just that switch
Europe is not ready for what that will cost.
True. But it will be okay. They can find somewhere else to spend all the money they save.
Good. Start by introducing a viable smartphone OS, because right now it’s down to Apple and Google, both from the US.
Linux is a great place to start. Android is based on Linux. Even a fork of Android that doesn’t give Google any data would be a good place to start, but relying on AOSP — Google’s open source repository — isn’t ideal.
I'd say the priority should be to have hardware that allows changing the os, just like pcs. We already have a lot of functional mobile OSes, but with locked hardware, we're still stuck with google and apple
To give a bit of technical details, the hardware must have a feature to destroy encryption keys for user data whenever a new OS is installed on it; and you have to be able to install a new OS on it at all.
Like, today, many smartphones have the problem that you can't install a new OS on them at all, because the bootloader doesn't allow it. Meanwhile PCs have a different problem, where they do allow installing new OS, but the user data is typically not encrypted and so you can just boot linux from a USB device and read all contents on the internal disk.
The best solution might be to encrypt all userdata, store the keys in the bootloader on the device, but when a new OS is loaded/installed, the bootloader doesn't give out the keys so the userdata can't be decrypted.
Start by introducing a viable smartphone OS
Damn funny me thinking about Symbian and the fallen empires of Nokia and Ericsson, now that the ball is in EU's court as enshittification consumes America and the Chinese government likes to have its presence in nearly every device ever made from the Middle Kingdom.
Graphene and e/OS exist.
Problem with Graphene is the limitation of hardware to Pixel due to manufacturers.
e/OS is good, but the missing killer app for me is contactless payment. Which brings Europe back to the Visa/MC problem. Digital Euro could fix this.
You would have the same trouble Microsoft did though. No one wanted to use the Windows mobile because there were no apps for it, and there were no apps for it because no developers wanted to develop for a platform with no users. Chicken and the egg.
It would be nice to have a smartphone that was just web-based and didn't really have apps, but I think that ship has sailed, people are just used to the concept and I think they would think of it as a step backwards if they had a phone that didn't use apps.
not sure about ready... sure there's a will
Not even sure there is that much will on politicians side. I hope there is, but they are mostly ignorant (judging from politicians in my country) and wouldn't distinguish between Word and Windows. They might be interested if there are elections and public pushes for it. But once elected then it's another song based on US stick and carrot. Mostly sticks from this administration. But I really do hope we start to move and now is the best time possible. Also recently there was data that German Federal Administration is paying Microsoft something like:
2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro
The trend is not encouraging, isn't it, and those are insane numbers - imagine what could we have for that amount with OSS. There is another neglected area - computer education in elementary school is practically non-existent and tiny-existent in middle school in my country while MS is subsidizing software for government and specially education sector. And so the circle of is closed.
are those millions? am I reading that right?
Your eyesight is 20/20
yes, german has a very weird way of writing numbers, where . is replaced by , and , is replaced by .
So, in US numbers, that would be EUR 274,091,361.75
It has confused many people already. It should be made more consistent internationally. I propose all use the US format of 274,091,361.75 because that's already used in programming and so it's widespread.
It's not so much that Europe wants to ditch US tech.
It's more that everyone wants to ditch the current crop of leeching billionaires and their spyware products. It's just they all happen to be in the US which given its current administration is a problem.
However this push to use more open source and locally based alternatives proceeds Donald Trump's first term. It's just his rhetoric has accelerated the process.
"3,000 people across the three countries" are ready to ditch us tech.
Eu might ditch some us software. Highly doubt that it will respect your privacy though, more and more countries here are pushing id-verification for social media and other stuff
Yeah, a proton blog... Not going to trust that much
Proton > US companies
It's not perfect, but no reason to recommend Google, Microsoft or Apple above it.
Hi ! I'm switching away from US tech. I started using the proton solutions. Do you have something against this company ? It's a genuine question.
I see a lot of options from European companies and being based in Switzerland and having encryption. Proton seemed to be a good way to start.
The Proton CEO Andy Yen tweeted support for Trump’s Department of Justice pick last year and a shitstorm suddenly appeared.
It was a pretty tone-deaf tweet, but it most certainly doesn’t mean that Proton or its CEO support the Trump regime.
Below is an article analyzing the entire episode, and before that a direct quote from the article if you want to get the basic idea with out reading the entire thing…
“However, being disillusioned with one party on one issue doesn’t mean that all of a sudden Andy Yen changed all of his stances and that now he’s actually pro-Republican or pro-MAGA. All of the evidence gathered suggests the exact opposite.”
Proton Mail is a good idea for the zero-knowledge encryption, but it's a whole lot of vendor lock in as you can't use standard clients (IMAP/STMP/CalDAV/CardDAV) for mail/calendar/contacts. Tuta isn't any better in this regard. If you're looking for ability to use standard open clients, probably mailbox.org would be a good option to check out.
They have really dragged out making a Linux Drive client. The protocol isn't documented for 3rd party implementations, but they're Windows/Mac desktop clients are open source so it's conceivable to reverse engineer the protocol from those, but nobody has done it.
They've delivered a bunch of new apps to their suite like a crypto wallet and an AI agent, rather than addressing popular feature requests for existing software.
Ready? I'm in the middle of the process. At the office, we got started as well and we're dragging our clients along.
The EU-tech sector is ready*, thanks for sharing the blog post but Proton isn't saying anything new imo
Mean while in Finland the social welfare system is looking to move personal data into the Microsoft cloud.
For fucks sake.
Ready, but is it willing?
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