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These official white house accounts post some of the funniest stuff (lemmy.world)
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[–] 68 points 9 months ago (22 children)

Mental gymnastics on full display

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 9 months ago (21 children)

    I wish one day we can look back at all this like we do with McCarthyism. But I'm also really concerned we won't

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    If we survive past it, we definitely will. Fascism eats itself from the inside out.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 9 months ago

    I worry that with the tools we have now, it changes how fascism works. They failed over and over and over until they are given what is essentially a nuclear weapon. It's not just the internet. It's amount of wealth in the hands of people who never deserved it. It's the number of middling average men with tremendous power and money. It's not like the 40s where there was more limits on basic things, logistic and communication.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    It's the whole "surviving long enough to look back" part that people worry about.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    The more were fight it the more short lived it will be.

    And by fighting I am taking to take some action beyond posting on social media. Unfortunately a lot of young people engage in social media activism which sadly does very little.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    I disagree. I think social media plays a much larger role in this then anyone is willing to admit.

    Just look at the effort by people who want power to to manipulate and own social media.

    Whare i think needs to happen is the left need to go back to their roots. Create their own bots. Leverage ai. Confront them on every social media space

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What they want to control is the algorithm that decides who sees what you post.

    Everyone thinks that they have a platform, but that's just an illusion, what everyone else sees is decided by the algorithm. It is essentially like a TV station that is personalized to each viewer.

    You can manipulate public opinion. This is especially worse with generative AI, as now you can generate content without needing users that would spread message you want to amplify. You just generate the content you want.

    This is why billionaires want to control it, because it gives them power to persuade you what to buy, how to vote, what causes you want to support etc.

    You as an ordinary person don't matter, when they control the algorithm they can simply mute you.

    That's why activism on social media is just an illusion. If you go on the street it is much harder to filter you.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago

    They can only control certain aspects of the variable. They still have parts you can control. They still need their people to view posts and guess what, those posts still have comments.

    I don't actually think "they" control it in the way you think. I still think it's profit and engagement based. They feed you stuff based on total user engagement. That's why the are so many bots on the left that keep telling everyone on the left to disengage or quit the major platforms. They want to rebalance the algorithm to their content.

    It's a numbers game. The goal is to create more content. There's a study that shows it takes a small percentage of a group to shift their views for the entire group to change. It's 10%. The other aspect is the views expressed can't be loose. They have to be incredibly immovable and confident. This is what the bots are doing on the right. The solution would be to mimic that, not avoid it. It just depends if you're looking to stop or fight them or if you're just casually wanting to observe and complain daily. Social media is one of the critical tools for fascists.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    a lot of young people engage in social media activism which sadly does very little.

    This is an X narrative. I recognize it from my TRANS family member who is in their early 20s and won't leave Twitter.

    They literally called it the front page of the internet.

    Only when I asked them why Republicans and Trump and other entities are so afraid of protesting did they relent.

    Online networks manifest as real world actions. Period.

    Being informed is the first step. If you don't have that you continue to do nothing while your enemies flourish.

    If the left doesn't reexamine the Twitter narratives pushed since Musk bought Twitter, we have already lost to our enemies.

    MeToo didn't go too far. Neither did pronouns.

    Biden didn't prosecute Trump or Epstein's other conspirators and this is what we get. That's what happened. We didn't go far enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    You're assuming that sites like Twitter will be fair to you regardless of the stances you have.

    One that controls the algorithm controls the message.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago* (4 children)

    The algorithm are controlled by engagement and profits, they're not controlled by MAGA. MAGA attempts to steer the algorithm to their content by convincing the left to abandon all social media

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    All owners of the most popular networks Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok have political goals.

    Thinking that they won't use their positions to advance their goals is very naive.

    We are taking about people who with Epstein revelations had no problem doing some really nasty shit.

    I thought it would be quite obvious after seeing how Twitter changed once melon took over.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago

    They're still limited. Their algorithm can still be manipulated even when it's weighing content to the right. It's almost easier since it feeds you their content which makes it easier to counter their bullshit, overwhelm their messages they're trying to get out, or just flat out troll the fuck out of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone who stays on Twitter not only validates their lies, it lends them credibility. It also pushes those people to the right.

    There is no value in normal non MAGA people staying on Twitter and helping enrich them. Lending validity...

    Look at r/Conservative and how it is run. It's on lockdown all the time. They silence even the real people on their side in favor of bots. That's a system that will fail.

    Liberalism didn't crumble under the weight of its own failings, it was destroyed and dismantled and it cost them an incredible amount of money to do it. They won't be able to do it forever. Unless we stay on their platforms, then they become self-sustaining.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago

    You're actually proving the point. r/conservative is a sub reddit within the bigger site. Outside of it lots of people make fun and control the narrative on it. This takes their ability and usefulness away when it's just bots communicating. It also let's people become aware what the next talking points will be.

    So why you prove my point is that individuals may be able to limit their comments on a post but the while site is harder to censor and with enough people working, you can disrupt their propaganda. Fascists grow on misinformation and displaying power through imagery. You tear them apart when Greg shows up in his nazi coat and people post instant memes on every platform. They grow when they control the narrative and they can't control the narrative unless they remove us

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Totally agree. My point was that once that stuff is compromised it's irresponsible to expect you won't be manipulated. They think they see through it, but in reality not leaving has programmed dumb opinions into them because they don't have the counter experiences. They came to age during pandemic.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Hungarian here, one of my great-grandfathers were arrested during 1956 for being at the wrong place, the secret police tortured him until he confessed crimes he didn't commit, and he was lucky he didn't get either death penalty, or tortured so severely that it would have turned him disabled for the rest of his life. He was later (circa 2010) advised to stop talking about it being the result of arrest quotas, due to potential foreign regime changes in the future (!) by anti communist NGOs after 2010, now I know why.

    ICE operates like every other secret police ever, including communist ones. Arrest/shoot/deport first, cover up later, torture people until they confess some heinious crimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    That is part of the problem. You view McCarthyism as a lesson in inhumanity, they view it as a stepping stone to get what they want.

    This goes for every lesson "progressives" think society has learned. Take Vietnam. A lesson in why we shouldn't kill civilians. For them, a lesson in how to keep the public insulated from war.

    To say they are garbage people is really too kind.

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    • [+] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Those damn communists want ICE to get warrants before invading possible CARTEL MEMBER houses.

    They even want ILLEGAL GANGS to have due process and right of an attorney instead of being shot in the streets

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    We can start with something a little easier if you'd like.

    Stop shooting unarmed protesters.

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    And I can't wait for them to cave on every single one

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    [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    This but unironically.

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    They do know that the whole united states has 2nd amendment rights, right? I say we really show those ice pussies what that means before they succeed in removing the 2nd.

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