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[–] 186 points 9 months ago (18 children)

They tried warning us about fb over 10 years ago and nothing happened

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I wouldn't say nothing happened. Young people migrated off of it and it's now the lead gasoline of the social media world

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah but young people didn’t migrate off it because it was harmful

    They migrated in part to instagram which Facebook bought and made even more harmful than Facebook itself

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah ig is the worst part of Facebook, just people curating what they want people to think their life looks like

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    This is in stark contrast to... Facebook???

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    facebook has a very different target audience

    facebook is mostly about 60+ year olds holding their beer and saying sth like "beer, car, church is all we need" while instagram is predatory on 16-y.o girls telling them that they're not pretty and worthy of love if they're not significantly (scarily, in fact) underweight and wear lots of makeup to cover their true emotions/face.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    back then it wasn't about political independence from the US.

    the EU has made a lot of noise in the last 2 weeks about getting off of US platforms. Here's a few examples:

    https://apnews.com/article/europe-digital-sovereignty-big-tech-9f5388b68a0648514cebc8d92f682060

    https://ecfr.eu/publication/get-over-your-x-a-european-plan-to-escape-american-technology/

    There's many more. The movement is significant.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Then literally Web 2.0 is the problem. All social media stops existing if we go back from Web 2.0.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    social media just needs http requests to exist, how does pre web 2.0 fix things honestly. gui apps have existed since windows 95 or even earlier, how is the tiktok app technically different than the space cadet paddle game with added network functionality?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Web 2.0 is the umbrella term for a bunch of things that enabled the social media we see today. Infinite scroll, notification toasts and asynchronous loading of new content to name a few.

    If we had to reload a page every time we wanted new content we would see way less and move on more quickly.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    To add to this, Web 1.0 was also known as the "read-only" Web. Webpages were managed by their owners and those owners decided what visitors saw. Those visitors also did not have the ability to add their own content to the pages. They might have had the ability to comment, or to make posts on BBS sites, but they couldn't just submit anything. Then in 2004, it changed. We transitioned to Web 2.0. All the things you mention allowed visitors of webpages to actively submit content to those pages, and soon it became known as the "read-write" Web.

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  • [–] 92 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Children are not the only ones being harmed here. This selective focus is only going to destroy the perception of other groups in terms of harm. Teenagers, young people, old people are also being harmed here - it is by design, and its everyone.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    I bet this is related to Palantir facial recognition. Seems like identifying people and feeding it into some database is very important lately.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Always has been. You've been fingerprinted on the web for 10 years minimum. You know those secret aliases you had? Yeah they always knew they were you.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Stop. I'm not fucking playing this stupid game. I'm well aware of data brokers and selling our data. This is clearly different uploading pictures of yourself with id as a requirement to access websites.

    If she had wheels she'd be a bike

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  • [+] 54 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Just remember tick tock is illegal for citizens to use in the country that invented it.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's because they have a state sanctioned version of TikTok that is controlled by an algorithm that police's peoples speech and what they do and reports anything untoward to the proper authorities.

    And now that Fox News has bought TikTok, the US has their own version of an algorithm that will police people's speech and what they do, and most likely report anything untoward to the proper authorities.

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    [–] 35 points 9 months ago

    Not only tiktok. My parents are addicted to facebook stories and YouTube stories ;)

    The same algorithm…

    What is more there a lot of Russian propaganda and misinformation. But in Poland that’s common in social media

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    It's Ok now though cause TikTok was bought by Fox News.

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The exact same thing happened with Instagram years ago.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    and Facebook.

    and MySpace.

    and club penguin.

    and...

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  • [+] 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus, happy tree friends fucked me up and I was legally an adult

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I enjoyed happy tree friends as a kid and it didn't effect me negatively. Different strokes for different folks I guess. It's like arguing that GTA makes kids violent.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    It was sort of funny, but it only had one punchline and wore out quickly for me. Shock humor has a really low retention rate. Compare that to say, Rejected or the parody GI Joe PSAs, they're really not great and a wonder why Youtube hired them to make their old copyright volition training videos.

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I've never installed tiktok. And I got rid of Instagram years before shorts. Additionally, while I enjoy long form YouTube videos from non-brainrot creators, I haven't used the official app in years, so I avoid shorts there as well.

    I'm not bragging, it's just relevant to my next statement:

    I too feel like my content consumption isn't long enough. I think the instant gratification of moving to the next thing minutes after the first is bad for our brains.

    In the last couple of months I have started reading again. Audiobooks mostly, and I know it's not the same, but it engages my brain while driving for work.

    Additionally, in the last few weeks, I've changed our TV habits. We usually watch 2 or 3 hours of TV in the evenings, which is probably too long by some metrics but I'm not ready to cut back yet, personally. What I have done, however, is stop binging.

    Normally we pick two, maybe three at most, shows we want to watch. Then we burn through them, episode after episode. Churning through the seasons until they're either gone or we're caught up with it's production.

    Lately, I've done the opposite. We watch one episode of a show we like. Only one. We can watch one of another show if we want. But thus far we haven't added more shows to the rotation, hard to keep track, might negate benefits, IDK.

    When we've watched one episode of one or two shows. We either change gears and stop watching TV, or watch a movie.

    By that time, the time for TV is more of less over.

    Already I'm seeing benefits, small, but I'm happy. The next day, in my idle thoughts, I'll find myself thinking about what happened in the show, and making connections and predictions that I otherwise wouldn't have made. I enjoy this.

    Plus we have a backlog of movies, we're really bad about dedicating time to movies, even though we'd gladly waste that time watching several episodes in a row of a show 🤦‍♂️ So I'm glad to be getting into some good movies too.

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  • Audiobooks mostly, and I know it's not the same

    FWIW, studies have found that reading and speech activate different language regions of the brain… But oddly enough, audiobooks activate the reading parts of the brain, not just the speech parts. So it may be more similar than you’d initially think.

    I finally got my AudioBookShelf instance up and running last year, around March. In those remaining 7 months, I “read” (listened to) over 50 books. I used to be a voracious reader as a child. But at some point I lost the spark, as finding time to read got harder and harder. Audiobooks have reignited that love for reading, in a way I can’t even put into words.

    I find myself looking forward to my daily commute, because it means I can listen to another two or three chapters in the car. I’ve even started taking the longer route home (which is technically more fuel efficient, but adds like 10 minutes to my commute) because I don’t mind the extra time in the car. I find myself wanting to wash the dishes or fold the laundry, because I can have my earbuds in while I work.

    I still doomscroll on YouTube shorts or Instagram reels occasionally, but that doesn’t mean I have to give up long form content like reading. They fill two entirely separate niches.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    It's harmful to everyone not just children, and so is Instagram. This sounds like more mandatory ID propaganda given how the government won't stop the most obvious of pedophile sex traffickers.

    Edit: It literally is.

    Of course, if TikTok is removed, many children will just move to TikTok’s competitors: Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts. This is why it’s so important for countries to follow Australia’s lead: raise the age for opening social media accounts to 16 and require the companies to enforce it.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Damn... money laundering though LIVE with its "gifts" I never thought about this. Everything else is wrong, at scale, but this surprised me.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    If you watch a decent amount of twitch streaming it's pretty obvious. I'm sure there are a ton of whales out there willing to dump >$1000 in one go on a streamer, but just watch something like a "subathon", or a "hype train". You'll see more dollars than viewers they have move around in the span of like 30 minutes.

    Or when streamers "bet" each other large amounts of gift subscriptions. That's explicitly money, and abstracting it behind subs only masks how damn much a lot of these "bets" are really for.

    I'm not going to claim that anywhere near all of it is straight laundering, but it's pretty damn obvious just how fucking easy it would be to use it all for washing/tumbling of dirty funds.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    No wonder trump wanted to “Americanize” the company. More access to kids.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If I ever have children, TikTok will be one of the first things I'll have blocked for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If your parents do that for you, you’d find a way around it. As someone with no kids, it’s something I’ve thought about, but I feel like there has to be another solution.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    If your parents do that for you, you’d find a way around it.

    Them finding a way around it , hopefully technically, at least makes them grow their problem solving, motivation and rebellion skills

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    i mean yeah that helps the growth of idiocracy so is it a surprise?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    KY P.40, PARA 125 [REDACTED BUT RETRIEVABLE TEXT]

    The ‘TikTank’ [internal TikTok group studying issues affecting TikTok] Report observed that “Tiktok is particularly popular with younger users who are particularly sensitive to reinforcement in the form of social reward and have minimal ability to self-regulate effectively.”

    Well, they are targeting young users because it's a biological fact that they can't control themselves very well, meaning that their brains are not fully developed yet. This is like making profits from people with diabetes by selling expensive insulin; if they don't get it, they die.

    TikTok should answer legally by its actions, as well as other industries.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah ofc. It's run by genocidal fascists now. Libs wanted this.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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