I'm Australian and cannot legally vote in US elections. So instead of voting against Trump, I campaigned against him online by telling people to vote for Harris. And campaigned for more refugee visas here in Australia.

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[–] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No I'm still not interested in voting for your candidate.

Furthermore, as per rule 7 of this community;

No shaming people for being anti-electoralism. This should be obvious from [rule 6] but apparently we need to make it obvious to the turbolibs who can't control themselves. You have the rest of lemmy to moralize.

And finally, while the previous link argued generally against voting in any election, I am in particular never voting for or even supporting in passing a Democrat or Republican for literally the rest of time after the Gaza genocide:

But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.

— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Can we just stop it with the strawmanning election memes, already?

    • It's been over a year
    • It's not like the online left would have turned the tides
    • I've yet to see a pro-voting meme that's not a strawman
    • There are currently things going on in the so-called US that are way more important and urgent than crying over an election
    • that happened over a year ago
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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The way I see it, we're on a deadline. If we can't immunise enough people to this BS by the midterms, then Trump will declare himself dictator and there will need to be a civil war. And if the Americans can't get a grassroots movement strong enough to start that civil war, then we're doing world war 3. And I don't want world war 3.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    You really believe this and I believe you think it's right.

    Here are 100 dodgy AI sources that are spread over ten paragraphs which actually don't support what I've written (i.e. AI has written).

    Yeah, take that. Also, north korea has an infallible leader and blah.

    Long week, not clear from my post, i'm having a dig at tankies here, not OP

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    Wrong post? I don't see any AI involvement here.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Nah, talking about talking to tankies. They smash you with AI rubbish at any comment that doesn't support xi, putin, or un.

    Bad attempt from me at a joke way too late after a long week...

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    Okay I feel you.

    I do want to clarify though that non-voting is a principled anarchist position. The OP isn't really arguing against (or for) tankies. They're arguing against the existence of a principled anarchist non-voting stance using "tankie" as a smear.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Anarchists are not necessarily against all involvement in electoral politics. Some advocate voting when the possible outcome of an election could be disastrous (for example, if a fascist or quasi-fascist party looks likely to win the election).

    What your source is actually saying is that we cannot rely on voting. I fully agree with your source that voting will not effect change. In fact, My post is not advocating for voting as a means of change. It is advocating for voting as a means of preventing things from getting worse, while we use direct action to make things better. Because the thing is, voting does work as a means of change when one side does it and the other doesn't. And the fascists will never stop.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I fully agree with your source that voting will not effect change.

    It is advocating for voting as a means of preventing things from getting worse

    These two statements seem contradictory? Also, please see my other source. Like I reject the notion that voting is truly a method of preventing things from getting worse. IMO, voting is a pressure valve that directs righteous anger against the system into impotent non-action within the system.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Liberals vs Liberals on voting

    You have 0 clue on what communism is and their positions, this is genuinely dogshit libslop even if I somewhat agree with the second half's point but for different reasons

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    In early 2024 I also saw a lot of people say "There's no way people are going to vote for Trump again after his disastrous first term, so let's use this election cycle to push for a better candidate than Joe, even if it costs the Ds a few votes"

    Yeah....

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well yeah, the dems didn't push for a better candidate than Joe, that was the problem. It was basically the same candidate, just younger and a woman, and even that was only after nominating Biden at first

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    That messaging was so loud it was clear from the beginning, and i am not from/in that continent.

    One day it will be tablecloth knowledge that the system is not about who leads - its about how quickly they can push the billionaire agenda. It doesn't matter who wins the 'elections', they make a mint and will continue to do so.

    They need us and hate us, playing ball is our foul.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    So instead of voting against Trump, I campaigned against him online by telling people to vote for Harris.

    Omfg the Gaza genocide was started [1] during the Biden-Harris administration 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ You're not helping 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    [1]I know Zionism in all its forms and all its actions have been genocidal since inception; I'm talking specifically about stuff that happened during the Biden-Harris administration.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The idea there is a difference between the two is just laughable

    EDIT: by "the two" I meant the two US parties

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The idea there is a difference between [communists and tankies] is just laughable

    Kropotkin has left the chat 😆

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)
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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Any criticism of Israel is antisemitism, gotcha

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    No not at all, I fucking hate Pissrael and Zionist scum, but we can criticize Pissrael without perpetuating antisemitic dog whistles (specifically that "goy" shit).

    Edit: if anyone has an emoji-sized Pissrael-on-fire flag in the vein of AmeriKKKa that I can copy-paste, please share it here; it will get so much use ♥️

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Fair enough. Didn’t realise Epstein & friends were antisemites as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean yes, Zionists like Epstein literally are (well Epstein was 🦀) antisemitic, 1000%. They hate Holocaust survivors, they hate anti-Zionist Jews, they hate anyone who isn't a Zionist like them. And they weaponize antisemitism accusations to get their way, and foist responsibility for the consequences of Zionist fascism onto all Jews.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    spot on, and you struck a nerve. kudos!

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