The Minnesota governor unexpectedly announced this month that he wouldn't run for re-election.

Walz had said this month that he would not seek re-election as governor — sending shock waves through state and national politics — but he did not go so far as to say he would not consider another elected position down the line.

In explaining his decision Wednesday, Walz talked about the scenes unfolding in Minneapolis between residents and federal officers. He said he found that there are “heroes on the streets that we don’t know their names.”

“They’re never going to run for office, and those grass-tops leaders brought this administration to their knees this week to do something about it. So there’s other ways to serve, and I’ll find them,” he said.

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[–] 92 points 9 months ago (42 children)

Too bad. He’s been a pretty good governor. Especially there for Minnesotans when they need him.

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  • [+] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Has he? Seriously. Last election people kept saying he was returning to run for president as the Green Candidate but as it turned out it was other people that simply wanted him to return as the Green Presidential candidate and were acting as if it were true. He went so far as to publicly declare that he was not going to run for president. Still, every couple of days I saw someone new that said they thought he was gonna be the Green candidate again.

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  • [+] -63 points 9 months ago (38 children)

    Are we witnessing two different timelines? Walz has done nothing but finger wag.

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  • [–] 85 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    He has had more of an impact on my life than any other governor I can think of

    Junk fee ban is the first one that comes to mind. It's seemingly small, but impacts so much. I buy things basically every day. Now it's so much more honest

    He's also reformed the gig work platforms for both workers and users. Not to mention little things like right to cancel for those platforms

    Also recreational weed

    Not to mention he has maintained a budget surplus. Basic fiscal responsibility that is unfortunately rare in modern America

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But he didn't even implement a Transcendental Post-Capitalist, Non-Hierarchical, Collectivist Socio-Productive, Technologically-Enhanced Communitarian Commonwealth of Inclusive Polycentric Societal praxis... so obviously he did nothing of any really worth.

    Tap for spoiler/s

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  • [+] -49 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, that's great. Bare minimum stuff if you ask me. I mean, his constituents are being murdered and he hasn't stopped the people doing it. That's a major faux pas in my book, but if you're willing to overlook that, I guess he was a good governor.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Y’know, the Minnesota FOP issued a statement that they back ICE. Seems like Walz recognizes that from an official standpoint he has limited power, if he tried to (say) tell the state police to arrest ICE agents they may just “not find any” or they might openly defy the order. The MN National Guard may or may not respond but they’re also not really equipped for law enforcement operations.

    Fact is, governmental power only works if people are following the law, and a lot of our “law enforcement” at every level in this country sees themselves as above the law. So if a civilian official tells them to do something they want to do, all good. If they’re told to do something that could lead to limitations in their power, they’ll at best refuse, at worst they might just remove the civilian leader in question.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This. Minneapolis police are a nightmare and I'm not sure what methods have historically worked for fixing that, but I do know that I have friends who live in neighborhoods that MPD won't go to, not because they're dangerous, but because they're near George Floyd square

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  • if he tried to (say) tell the state police to arrest ICE agents they may just “not find any” or they might openly defy the order.

    Okay. Say it anyway. Make them defend themselves in public. I would love to hear them explain why they are defying a direct order from the Minnesota state government.

    But also, no, the national guard would side with Minnesota civilians.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    Curious, but are you from Minnesota?

    I'm not, but I am aware he was able to pass legislation giving all kids in his state free lunch. I'd hardly call that nothing.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Also legislation to provide women's sanitary products in schools

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  • [+] -40 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    That's a good thing. It should not be a major accomplishment. It should be a positive in a myriad of things that the people are asking for.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    So, since he hasn't done literally everything that YOU think he should do, or should be doing- he's not a good Governor. I feel terrible for anyone that has to put up with your expectations, because geez. One slip-up and you might kill them.

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  • [+] -21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    My expectations: When your constituents are being murdered, you stop the people doing the murdering and charge them with murder.

    One slip-up and you might kill them.

    wtf are you talking about?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Okay, so since he hasn't been the one to literally start the second Civil War, he sucks. Got it.

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    If charging fascists for the murder they commit is wrong, then I don't want to be right. Whose side are you on?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I'm on the side of the protestors. Just like anyone with a brain. What do you think happens when those fascists get charged? They get pardoned by Trump, and there's nothing we can do about it. You act like the State Troopers would actually arrest ICE agents if Walz told them to. They wouldn't- most of them are on the same team as ICE. You're either intentionally acting naive, or you have no idea of the implications of what you suggest. Neither put you in a good light.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm on the side of the protestors.

    No you're not. You have given up, and for that, you deserve to lose. I don't want you on my team.

    What do you think happens when those fascists get charged?

    They get put in court, a place Trump's administration has been losing.

    Further, don't you think it would benefit us to test our limits a bit? Stretch the legs, see how far they go. Every second of every day, Trump is doing something he's "not supposed to do."

    If they get put in prison, that's a victory. If they get pardoned, that erodes public trust in the judicial system. Do you think a judicial system that cannot keep nazi corroborators within its prisons is worth respecting?

    If they get pardoned, invoke the judicial equivalent of the filibuster. Bury them in paperwork. Lose the goddamn cell keys, I don't care. Make the ICE agent that comes to unlock the cell you won't open slip on a banana, film it, then hold a press conference where you and everyone else laugh at them. Nobody likes Trump. Use that to your advantage.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    No you're not. You have given up, and for that, you deserve to lose. I don't want you on my team.

    Damn. Got me. Guess I better join the Nazis /s

    Idc if you want me on your team, idiot. We're stuck in this together. So cut your holier-than-thou act, and fuck yourself.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    They get pardoned by Trump

    That's not how that works. If they faced murder charges in state court, the president can't pardon them. And don't give me that, "He will do it anyway" bullshit, because without charging them Trump wins no matter what. What are these implications you are talking about?

    I hope no one on Lemmy sees me in a bad light. I would be shattered.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    They get pardoned by Trump

    That's not how that works

    Tell that to the January 6thers.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    What state did that happen in? What state crimes were they charged with? Last I saw there were 1500 people charged with a federal crime.

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  • [+] -31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Do you need to be from Texas or Florida to think Cruz or Desantis are awful people?

    Free lunch is great. They are doing it in other states. If the bare minimum is your high bar, I guess he's a great governor.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Say, friend, I realize that there's this streak of magical thinking a mile wide through American culture. It's rampant in our stories. The kicker can make a 60-yard field goal, if he Wants It Badly Enough. Some dude can levitate his spacecraft out of the swamp, if he Wants It Badly Enough. A couple of local boys can jump their car over the river, if they Want It Badly Enough. The bumbling sheriff cannot, because he doesn't Want It Badly Enough.

    So is the idea here is that Tim Walz could do something about it, if he only Wanted It Badly Enough? Unfortunately, this is not a movie. He can't drive them off by sheer force of will. What should he do about it? Grab Paul Bunyon's axe from the state warehouse where it's stored, and charge through the streets of Minneapolis brandishing it? Anything he could do boils down to one of two things: Talk (executive orders, legislation, telephone calls to [REDACTED]), or direct, physical action. The former, you dismiss as finger wagging, and the latter would be met with overwhelming retaliation, getting a lot of people hurt or killed.

    In his place, what "something" would you do, that would actually work and not make things worse?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    What should he do about it?

    Call them pedophiles. Charge the ICE shooters with murder immediately. Deploy the national guard with the directive to protect citizens from ICE. And harass the administration with lawsuits.

    All of these actions would be effective. All of these actions would be supported by the people he represents. This would, unironically, catapult him into international stardom.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Minnesota prosecutors would like to press charges, but the regime is protecting Ross; it hasn't identified the agents who shot Pretti, and is obstructing MN investigators. Over here in Wisconsin, we have John Doe proceedings for starting a case without knowing the identity of the defendant, but the reason that's useful is to use the court's powers to investigate. In this instance if Minnesota has a similar law, it'd just get a case on the books which couldn't go anywhere because investigation already is stymied.

    Walz has mobilized the National Guard to protect Minnestotans from ICE. However, it's a fine line, because the NG can be federalized, and anything too aggressive he might do would just see them taken out of his control. Nevermind possibly kicking off the second civil war.

    And, Minnesota has filed lawsuits. So that's three out of four of those things that Walz has already done, to the extent possible. Calling them pedophiles sounds like finger wagging. But maybe it'd all work if he Wanted It Badly Enough?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Jonathan Ross should have been captured as soon as he was identified. Yeah, no shit it's difficult to get him now.

    [the regime] hasn't identified the agents who shot Pretti

    Wow. The regime hasn't done that? That's crazy.

    it'd just get a case on the books which couldn't go anywhere

    You know, just taking this at face value, I would rather the case be on the books. Getting Democrats to put anything on the books is the first goddamn hurdle, so I'd like to get that out of the way right now.

    Walz has mobilized the National Guard to protect Minnestotans from ICE.

    He has mobilized them to be nearby. Granted, better than nothing, but this is no aura-farming moment. He is not mounting a resistance.

    With how often Walz insists the protests must remain peaceful, and with no indication that he understands the implicit threat of a protest nor where things are going if ICE keeps agitating, my bet, honestly, is that the NG will be utilized to suppress civilian rowdiness, not to protect them. And no, no federalization will be necessary, he will do this himself.

    And, Minnesota has filed lawsuits.

    Such as?

    Bear in mind, if I were in Walz' position, I would be screaming in press conferences about every lawsuit I was filing every second of every day, but please, inform me.

    Calling them pedophiles sounds like finger wagging.

    Yeah, so it's weird that he's not doing it, huh? Actually, it's weird the DNC as a whole doesn't say anything about it. It's not a lie, after all. The American people has a burning, ferocious, violent, seething hatred for Trump—I for one call him a fat fucking pedophile every time I wake up; it's the first thing I say to my wife—and yet that's somehow not reflected in their representatives. Representatives who would rather say things like "let's abolish this version of ICE."

    I don't think you have to worry about a civil war, man. The DNC will roll over and 'stay' for their little dog treats no matter how many of us are abducted into Alligator Alcatraz.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Ross was spirited away from the scene and hidden away immediately, like before his gun cooled down. There was no opportunity for any MN officials to act.

    As for lawsuits, a news search for "Minnesota lawsuit" turns up lots of stories, like this one which talks about the one Ellison filed on the 12th to end the invasion. Courts are slow; they can't keep up with events on the ground.

    Lastly, the DNC is pretty much irrelevant these days. It's not a surprise; folks here on the Threadiverse have told me that the Democrats aren't there to fight for us, and we have to make them do what we want. It's a fascinating and weird mindset, but does appear to be accurate these days. Anyway, this isn't two teams facing off anymore, and the regime is attacking people directly. It doesn't matter if the DNC rolls over, the people of Minneapolis aren't.

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  • [+] -36 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like a ton of comment in this room are missing the point. Him choosing to not run changes the calculus for how he handles the rest of his term and where he puts his efforts.

    Endorsing someone else takes significantly less effort than running for reelection yourself and it makes the opposition have to do actual work rather than just pointing at his recent failings.

    Politically/tactically this is a pretty good move, especially as like others have pointed out, he has given someone else a lot of runway to put a campaign together.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    He is probably also personally a factor in the admin targeting Minnesota. Trump/MAGA was really, really outraged by his "weird" shtick during the campaign. Removing himself could be seen as Trump "winning", and now MAGA is wondering why ICE is still fucking up a state purged of its corruption.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not going to say I was Waltz's biggest fan when he was on the national stage but seemed solid to me and his handling of the Republican attempts at civil war and making the statement he made to get the hell out of the way for new leadership and not cling onto power unlike a lot of his other collogues garners a lot more of my respect.

    I hope he follows on his word to help those new leaders and fosters actual change in the party that needs change and a spine.

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  • [–] 53 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    These two lines literally contradict each other... Who the fuck wrote this? Which one is correct, because they can't both be?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago*

    The paragraph right before says, on Wednesday, he told MSNOW that he wouldn’t run for office again.

    The me that you highlighted is something he said earlier this month.

    So, he wasn’t running for gov earlier this month, but didn’t say if we would run for something else. Now, he says he won’t run for an elected office ever again.

    — I didn’t notice this when I first read it. You pointed out the wording so I had to go back and read it very carefully to catch all that. It’s definitely written in an odd way and is confusing.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Its a little confusing. At the start of the month he said he's not running for gov again but would consider other elected offices. Now he is saying hes not running for any elected offices. Reading the full article clears it up.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    A strong or vocal leader can embolden a populace.

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  • [+] -19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    strong or vocal leader

    Is that how you perceive him?

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago

    Yes, as a Minnesotan that is how I percieve him. It takes a lot to run for VP knowing it's a longshot, and knowing you'll likely lose your political career for it

    As long as we're asking leading, loaded questions...

    Are you from Minnesota?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    He seems like a nice guy and says some good things. Sounds like he was an okay governor. That is, until he refused to protect the citizens of his state from a gang of marauding masked murders. Fuck that guy. We need much better.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    ITT: people failing reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Good. He is peacetime material, not fit to protect a state from fascism.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Head line is a lie.

    but he did not go so far as to say he would not consider another elected position down the line.

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  • [–] 53 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    “I will never run for an elected office again. Never again,” Walz, the 2024 Democratic vice presidential nominee, said in an interview with MS NOW.

    The context of the line you quoted was from earlier

    Walz had said this month that he would not seek re-election as governor — sending shock waves through state and national politics — but he did not go so far as to say he would not consider another elected position down the line.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    God damn. I hate all of these upvotes to wrong information. 30 upvotes to the guy who called it a lie, despite it being the first line in the article. Another dozen to posts speculating that he said it earlier.

    The quote is from an interview from last night where he also talked about the attack on Omar.

    The interviewer even replied "never again?" And he reiterated "never again."

    He called himself a lightning rod for political attack from the right due to running with Kamala, and he didn't want his people to be punished for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Wait - Am I the one you think speculated he said it before?

    I just quoted the article saying he had said he wouldn’t run before but hadn’t said at the time he would never run for office and that OP took their quote out of context

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, sorry, not intended at you. I meant to reply to the lie comment. Sorry!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    No problem - I didn’t take it that way at first but then I sat down to eat and looked at the thread at large and just wasn’t sure.

    I do think my original comment could have been worded more clearly so maybe I was just feeling guilty 😅

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    I think they are talking about a previous statement of his earlier this month.

    “I will never run for an elected office again. Never again,” Walz, the 2024 Democratic vice presidential nominee, said in an interview with MS NOW.

    Is supposedly a statement he made yesterday.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I wonder if this has anything to do with his "productive" meeting with Trump

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    The article headline is confusing...

    I had wondered whether he was going to consider a presidential run, which this part leaves somewhat open:

    About 18 months earlier, Walz was thrust into the national spotlight when Vice President Kamala Harris picked him as her running mate in the 2024 election. Walz had repeatedly said — even before 2024 — that he was considering a future presidential bid, but he had said he would rule out a 2028 run if he sought re-election as governor.

    So he might be seriously considering a 2028 presidential run... Walz and Ocasio-Cortez anyone?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Nobody cares

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    To be honest good. The way he folded on every single one of the things he claimed to believe in during his run for VP turned me off to every wanting to see him hold significant power.

    This man is a fake progressive bootlicker of the state. Sent in the National Guard to protect people brutalizing and executing his citizens. A feckless waste of space.

    I anticipate down votes because the liberals are going to talk about some modest reforms he got in place. But did any of the systems actually change? Do you trust someone who is letting you get murdered in the streets to run your state? I expect pearl clutching by liberals at my statement but the deference to this man should be killed now. He is not your ally. He does not care about you.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Tim got women tampons, that excuses the fascist murderers he refuses to do anything about. He's a good man.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't even know how to engage with this comment what an insane thing to say.

    He is literally using his power as governor to defend these ICE thugs because he is a feckless democrat who has no theory of how to change this country for the better unless it is incremental and within the bounds of what our corporate overlords have authorized.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Wow, one year of fascism and you are backing down?

    Edit: doesnt matter if he is gonna run "down the line". The matter is this was too scary for him.

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    I mean, even if he didn't, will I cry about it? Not really. Especially considering his debate with JD Vance exposed him as moderate right wing at best

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  • [+] -24 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Good.

    I'd argue that he should even announce intent to resign, but stay in office till a special election can seat a new governor.

    1. Lead

    2. Follow

    3. Get out of the way

    "Hang out and chill" not being an option was a lesson even President Not Sure had to learn...

    If he doesn't have it in him to fight, I respect him getting out of the way. But announcing an intent to get out of the way later and preventing anyone else from leading is a bitch move

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can you substantiate your assertion he "doesn't have it in him to fight" and that he intends to, "hang out and chill"?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago

    Can you substantiate your assertion he “doesn’t have it in him to fight”

    His lack of action

    and that he intends to, “hang out and chill”?

    That when he finally acted, it was to deploy the NG to hand out doughnuts and pacify protestors who are justifiably angry.

    What do you think we gain by him staying in office?

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  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I know you're getting downvoted, but I agree. Fascists are killing his constituents in the streets and the whole calling their dictator "weird" or other witty names isn't doing a damn thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Did you miss the fact that he deployed the MN National Guard to protect the protestors? The Guard handed out coffee and doughnuts to protesters and stood behind them at protests. They literally had their backs at the protest.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Yes, I did miss that.

    Brig. Gen. John Manke, adjutant general of Minnesota National Guard, said at a news conference that guard troops' first order of business would be to help provide security at the Whipple Federal Building, home to the federal court and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center.

    This action was not done to protect Minnesotans.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You are wrong. Reports from protesters at the protests can be found to fill in your information gaps.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I couldn't find these reports or any videos of anything like that. Also, no one has been charged with murder for any civilians. Why?

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Too many people still just look at the letter by a politician's name

    Like, it really is commendable that he's saying this early so others to plan to run. Streets ahead of Biden at least

    It's just not enough, Minnesota needs help now, and Walz has shown and now admitted he wont do what's actually necessary.

    So why the fuck is he running out the clock? If he wants to help, call a special election for his own seat and let the people of Minnesota get someone who will represent them.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What action are you expecting from him that he isn't doing?

    He's no longer running because what's happening is political retaliation for him running against Trump. Not because he's doing a poor job

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    What action are you expecting from him that he isn’t doing?

    Have the state police arrest ICE agents for the crimes they're committing, and for obstruction of justice.

    Fucking Bovino was out running around, I know he's hard to spot due to his size, but we could have snatched up that lil fascist leprechaun. Even if he beat the charges, "you can't beat the ride" and this is one scenario the suspect actually deserves to get beat.

    Fuck it, beat his ass and charge him for resisting.

    We don't have to like the system we have, but we're fucking fighting fascists and they're killing people on the streets.

    Use the tools we have, and the Governor controls the state police. Same for Frey and the City Police

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